Site Search:
 
Get TEFL Certified & Start Your Adventure Today!
Teach English Abroad and Get Paid to see the World!
Job Discussion Forums Forum Index Job Discussion Forums
"The Internet's Meeting Place for ESL/EFL Students and Teachers from Around the World!"
 
 FAQFAQ   SearchSearch   MemberlistMemberlist   UsergroupsUsergroups   RegisterRegister 
 ProfileProfile   Log in to check your private messagesLog in to check your private messages   Log inLog in 

GABA good or gabaldegook?
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
 
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Japan
View previous topic :: View next topic  
Author Message
Solar Strength



Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 557
Location: Bangkok, Thailand

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Working 6 - 7 days a week for ¥240,000 is insanity!

Why do people insist on coming to Japan when they can work a 18 - 20 hour 4 - 5 day work week in Korea or China for the same money with free apartment and airfare?

You guys are nuts!

I just don't understand it.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Solar Strength



Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 557
Location: Bangkok, Thailand

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And they force you to wear a black undertaker's suit!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
HLJHLJ



Joined: 06 Oct 2009
Posts: 1218
Location: Ecuador

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I worked for them to pad out a very well paid but term time only university job. I put in more hours than I really needed to during the term because it was the easiest money I have ever made. My students were lovely, the one-to-one set up was a nice change from big classes at uni and there was no prep or marking. Plus I could take a month off whenever I wanted to, take a half day if I felt like it, etc etc.

I've said before that personally I wouldn't want to be tied to Gaba with their visa, and I don't think they should be allowed to sponsor visas on an Itaku contract. But I saw the hours people were putting in at the likes of AEON with barely any vacation time, so I would still choose Gaba.

As for the clothes, I've always worn a black suit for work. At least, in all the jobs when I've had to wear a suit. I've never understood why that, of all things, bothers people.

Having said all that, I won't be heading back to Japan in hurry.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Solar Strength



Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 557
Location: Bangkok, Thailand

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
I worked for them to pad out a very well paid but term time only university job.


What does this mean - "pad out" and "term time"?

You were working as a Gaba dispatch teacher at a university or your Gaba job allowed you to eventually get hired directly as a non-renewable contract teacher at a university?

HLJHLJ wrote:
As for the clothes, I've always worn a black suit for work. At least, in all the jobs when I've had to wear a suit. I've never understood why that, of all things, bothers people.


I've never understood why people, especially those teaching in universities of all jobs, would want to wear a suit and tie. Professors don't wear suit and ties!
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
HLJHLJ



Joined: 06 Oct 2009
Posts: 1218
Location: Ecuador

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 2:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had an entirely separate / independent job at university, some English teaching, some content. It was not connected with Gaba in anyway. However, it was paid by the koma, so I wasn't paid during the long vacation (term time being the teaching days between vacations). I initially took the job at Gaba to pad out/top up/supplement my wages from my main job so that I had an income during the vacations. As it turned out I rarely worked for Gaba during the vacations, instead I preferred to work more hours during term time and then travel during the vacations.


It depends on the university and on the professor. I've worked in universities on and off for decades, and I've always worn a suit. Yes, I've worked with plenty of professors who look like they've just walked in from the beach, or rolled out of bed, they make me cringe with embarrassment. I'm not currently working in uni, but a suit is compulsory in this job too. But the main objection to the Gaba dress code is not that it's a suit, but that it's a black suit. Which is a total non-issue for me.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Solar Strength



Joined: 12 Jul 2005
Posts: 557
Location: Bangkok, Thailand

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 3:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
I had an entirely separate / independent job at university, some English teaching, some content. It was not connected with Gaba in anyway. However, it was paid by the koma, so I wasn't paid during the long vacation (term time being the teaching days between vacations). I initially took the job at Gaba to pad out/top up/supplement my wages from my main job so that I had an income during the vacations. As it turned out I rarely worked for Gaba during the vacations, instead I preferred to work more hours during term time and then travel during the vacations.


It depends on the university and on the professor. I've worked in universities on and off for decades, and I've always worn a suit. Yes, I've worked with plenty of professors who look like they've just walked in from the beach, or rolled out of bed, they make me cringe with embarrassment. I'm not currently working in uni, but a suit is compulsory in this job too. But the main objection to the Gaba dress code is not that it's a suit, but that it's a black suit. Which is a total non-issue for me.


Thanks for clarifying that. I was curious to know if Gaba dispatched instructors to universities since I had never heard of them doing that before.

I recall seeing the Gaba teachers at one school standing outside on a smoke break all wearing their black undertaker's suits. I remember thinking, 'Glad it's not me!'
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fat_chris



Joined: 10 Sep 2003
Posts: 3198
Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 4:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar Strength wrote:
Working 6 - 7 days a week for ¥240,000 is insanity!

Why do people insist on coming to Japan when they can work a 18 - 20 hour 4 - 5 day work week in Korea or China for the same money with free apartment and airfare?


Seconded.

Warm regards
fat_chris
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
FloridaTEFL



Joined: 03 Apr 2005
Posts: 66

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 6:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar Strength wrote:
Working 6 - 7 days a week for ¥240,000 is insanity!

Why do people insist on coming to Japan when they can work a 18 - 20 hour 4 - 5 day work week in Korea or China for the same money with free apartment and airfare?


I've never worked for GABA, but it's my understanding that after the first few months an instructor can quickly move well above and beyond the 240,000 per month (correct me if I'm wrong!)
Also, not having to live in their apartments probably saves an instructor a lot of money, unlike AEON where you HAVE to live in their apartments and pay their grossly inflated rent prices (from what I've heard).
I guess the downside at GABA is that "peak teaching hours" mostly includes weekends which could be a real bummer...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message Send e-mail
ksw09



Joined: 22 Mar 2014
Posts: 13

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 8:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar Strength wrote:
Working 6 - 7 days a week for ¥240,000 is insanity!

Why do people insist on coming to Japan when they can work a 18 - 20 hour 4 - 5 day work week in Korea or China for the same money with free apartment and airfare?

You guys are nuts!

I just don't understand it.


Me personally the reason is I want to be in Japan in particular and I want a flexible schedule. My best friend from childhood was from Japan but lived in the States back then, and I have always known that I wanted to try to live there a while instead of the usual 2 week visit. I am not doing it solely for the money and despite all the complaints, Gaba fits what I intend to do for now.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
RM1983



Joined: 03 Jan 2007
Posts: 360

PostPosted: Fri Apr 04, 2014 11:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar Strength wrote:
Working 6 - 7 days a week for ¥240,000 is insanity!

Why do people insist on coming to Japan when they can work a 18 - 20 hour 4 - 5 day work week in Korea or China for the same money with free apartment and airfare?

You guys are nuts!

I just don't understand it.


To be honest I quite often do a 6 day week. My actual hours are low but I hate working saturdays. Leaves very little time to actually do anything but recupperate.

It might be me but ive usually found teaching quite tiring, after about 30 hours (which thankfully i dont hit here) i'm walking dead!

Gaba as a side job sounds ok. As a full time thing it doesnt sound THAT flexible. Sounds like you would be chasing paper most of the time
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
fat_chris



Joined: 10 Sep 2003
Posts: 3198
Location: Beijing

PostPosted: Sun Apr 06, 2014 3:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Solar Strength wrote:
And they force you to wear a black undertaker's suit!


Black suit with a three-button jacket. Yes, please. It's a good look.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SunShan



Joined: 28 Mar 2013
Posts: 107

PostPosted: Thu Apr 24, 2014 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

HLJHLJ wrote:
I've always found one-to-one's much easier than group classes. Combine that with the lack of prep and marking at Gaba


I'm thinking about GABA as it could well suit my current situation.

However, with the pay being poor, I wouldn't want to be preparing much, if at all. Is it fair to say there's hardly any lesson planning? Is there any pressure to use a certain methodology and get through the texts quickly, or is it more like you're just left to get on with it? Are GABA's materials any good, or frozen in carbonite?

How do you think someone like myself, a Padawan with just a few months teaching experience, would get on at GABA? I've found some privates a bit tricky at times due to my lack of experience, and if it's just based on conversation it can be hard to focus on a language aspect; easy to run out of 'conversation'; hard to obtain certain materials; feel like you're not actually 'teaching' something worthwhile.

I've had a good friendly rapport with all my students which I think they appreciate more than how much they're learning (though most are doing well).

Could the force be with me in GABA's palace?
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
mitsui



Joined: 10 Jun 2007
Posts: 1562
Location: Kawasaki

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I knew an Israeli who would have 12 lessons in a row on the weekend. I doubt he even planned at all. If you have a break between classes you could have time to plan.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
HLJHLJ



Joined: 06 Oct 2009
Posts: 1218
Location: Ecuador

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 3:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SunShan wrote:
Is it fair to say there's hardly any lesson planning? Is there any pressure to use a certain methodology and get through the texts quickly, or is it more like you're just left to get on with it? Are GABA's materials any good, or frozen in carbonite?


There's no prep at all usually. The first few months you'll have to spend some time reading through the course books and familiarising yourself with them. After that, there's really no prep to do.

I had two very high level clients that I used to prep materials for, but that was rare, and entirely my choice. They were students I particularly liked, working on subjects I was particularly interested in, so I put the extra work in on my own time. I could have just stuck to the textbook, and that would have been fine as far as GABA are concerned, but those students wouldn't have kept booking me.

The books are mediocre, I've seen worse, especially in Japan, and in any case I've never seen a course book I really liked. They do the job about as well as you'd expect. They are designed so that you get through 1 unit per lesson with an average student. They are very formulaic. The typical lesson starts with a few minutes of small talk, then a picture description, a role play, 2-4 exercises and free production at the end. Your job is to say as little as possible and encourage them to speak as much as possible. Other than that, it's straight from the book.

Most of the people I worked with had no previous teaching experience. As long as you go in with realistic expectations, keep your talk time to a minimum and stick to the materials, you'd be fine.
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
SunShan



Joined: 28 Mar 2013
Posts: 107

PostPosted: Fri Apr 25, 2014 6:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for your advice.

Doesn't sound too bad in that regard, and I appreciate there's always an element of responsibility towards the students. I'd have no problem going out of my way to help students who are keen to learn.

Sounds like the 3-day (unpaid) training is a bit unnecessary though...
Back to top
View user's profile Send private message
Display posts from previous:   
Post new topic   Reply to topic    Job Discussion Forums Forum Index -> Japan All times are GMT
Goto page Previous  1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6  Next
Page 5 of 6

 
Jump to:  
You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot vote in polls in this forum


This page is maintained by the one and only Dave Sperling.
Contact Dave's ESL Cafe
Copyright © 2018 Dave Sperling. All Rights Reserved.

Powered by phpBB © 2001, 2002 phpBB Group

Teaching Jobs in China
Teaching Jobs in China