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TOEFL class, what is the proper length?

 
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revilo



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:11 am    Post subject: TOEFL class, what is the proper length? Reply with quote

For some reason, not by my own planning, I taught a TOEFL prep class in the USA. Actually, it was because I was a TOEFL rater.
I taught the class for 2 months in a private school setting. I thought 2 months was just about right for learning the material.

Now I teach a TEOFL prep class 5 days a week in China, and it is for 4 MONTHS! Literally, they dumped all these test questions on me (without answers) and the students and I review them. The questions were stolen from a Japanese TOEFL test prep site and I have access to the sound files (which may work depending on how fast Chinese wi-fi is working on that day).

I don't have the correct answers and sometimes I tell the students "Well, the ansr could be A or it could be D" I'm sure you remember eliminating ansrs based on the question, but there are always a few that you can't dismiss right off the bat.

The shocking thing is that I'm running out of questions and they tell me, "Just get some more questions from the Internet." Well, yeah, but how about the right answers? Rolling Eyes
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coldcucumber



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

6-12 weeks, depends upon student levels.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wouldn't wish TOEFL prep on anyone.

Depending upon your city, you might be able to buy a Kaplan or Baron's TOEFL prep book for about $20.00 in a university-area book store, or try Amazon.com or TaoBao.

I don't recommend Petersen's or Princeton Review for any test prep.

There are multiple websites that show sample tests and answers for TOEFL. You could copy them and use them in class. Granted, it'll be a tedious process, but it's better than nothing.

This website has about a dozen tests (and answer keys) for Reading Comprehension, Vocabulary,Grammar, Writing, prefixes and suffixes (very important), but NO listening skills portion.

http://www.learn4good.com/languages/spec_english_toefl.htm

Good luck.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 26, 2014 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

TOEFL prep can be pretty tricky. One thing is the material available, another students who may consist of varieties of levels although uniformly high expectations.

To make sure you have a measurable goal and to avoid unreasonable suppositions, test the students prior to your course, if you can. This will most likely protect you from any annoying comments of your superiors, students and/or their parents later. If you haven't done so, you may not be able to protect yourself and you may not be knowledge of your students' needs.

Teaching with the actual test questions is the most common way around; however, the interested ones in improving their (or their kids) proficiency of the language ought to learn that it isn't only the exams questions which can upgrade the knowledge. Moreover, they should become aware of the integration of listening speaking, reading and writing in the performance.

In order to improve notably, a 4 month test prep that is run 5 days weekly needs a lot more than just drilling the questions from the actual exam. The language components require a special attention and they entail ingredients beyond questions-answers.

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The questions were stolen from a Japanese TOEFL test prep site
I guess that's better than from the Chinese New Oriental thief.

What BP has suggested is a good direction.
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theoriginalprankster



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:48 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

British universities no longer accept ETS (TOEFL, TOEIC) test-passers, as it was uncovered by BBC Panorama that TOEFL invigilators at a certain test centre IN BRITAIN were giving the answers to the candidates in-test.

I guess your students are heading to the States or other countries?

Means more IELTS test candidates - good news for IELTS examiners and BC.
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revilo



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 2:45 pm    Post subject: Canada bound Reply with quote

These students are on their way to Canada. TOEFL is the test of choice. Many thanks for your advice, everyone.
I do have a TOEFL test book loaded onto my computer and if I can cut & past the questions into Word format, I can solve the problem of not having enough material.
I'll be heading to the Middle East and I'll look into IELTS examiner jobs, cuz this TOEFL prep is for the birds.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

theoriginalprankster wrote:
British universities no longer accept ETS (TOEFL, TOEIC) test-passers, as it was uncovered by BBC Panorama that TOEFL invigilators at a certain test centre IN BRITAIN were giving the answers to the candidates in-test.

I guess your students are heading to the States or other countries?

Means more IELTS test candidates - good news for IELTS examiners and BC.
This sounds like there's nothing wrong with IELTS and plenty dishonesty in TOEFL. Comparing the shortcomings of both would be quite interesting but off the topic. One thing, which may not be far off here, is that the American TOEFL is, in my humble opinion, a bit more academic than the British IELTS is. This is probably the reason why the OP's students are taking it for the universities in the US. But I understand that the BC has its academic version of the British test too. How close to TOEFL academically that may be is as questionable as is the division of reading, writing, listening and speaking. Anyhow, we're not helping the OP with this.
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wonderingjoesmith



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 27, 2014 3:29 pm    Post subject: Re: Canada bound Reply with quote

revilo wrote:
These students are on their way to Canada. TOEFL is the test of choice. Many thanks for your advice, everyone.
I do have a TOEFL test book loaded onto my computer and if I can cut & past the questions into Word format, I can solve the problem of not having enough material.
I'll be heading to the Middle East and I'll look into IELTS examiner jobs, cuz this TOEFL prep is for the birds.
Oh, I see. TOEFL is, to my knowledge, widely accepted in Canada too. I understand the infatuation with IELTS for its human factor and opportunities the BC offers. Good to make that extra buck for sure.
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 28, 2014 5:56 am    Post subject: Re: Canada bound Reply with quote

wonderingjoesmith wrote:
Oh, I see. TOEFL is, to my knowledge, widely accepted in Canada too. I understand the infatuation with IELTS for its human factor and opportunities the BC offers. Good to make that extra buck for sure.


Don't pass the buck! The buck stops here!

I am thinking of playing the TOEFL/IELTS prep game as well. It seems to be a hot commodity and there seems to be no shortage of students lining up for some of that sweet test prep action. I have even become aware of a few young bucks who are interested in SAT prep (haha! they even call it "sat" instead of S…A…T).

Maybe, possibly, perhaps.

I would be more interested in doing this privately one-on-one or in small groups rather than having to lead a class of this for someone else.

Apart from that, I am also interested in the invigilator route for the BC (IELTS). I am wondering what the opportunities are for this in Chengdu and in the Sichuan area.

Guess I'll check in periodically on that other lengthy post about BC/IELTS here on the dave's.

Sorry to go off on this tangent.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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