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EGA/INTERLINK Flight Scam
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mashkif



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 1:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skeletor wrote:
$30,000 US net is more like $40,000 US gross. 3,000 net is okay though and you can save the 10,000.


Like hell it is! Stateside you have the following deductions (and I'm being conservative here) from your gross salary--
    * Income tax (15%-25%)

    * Housing - rent or mortgage ($ca. $2,000 per month)

    * Transportation - gas or tickets ($3,000 per annum)

    * Bills - electric, water ($1,500 p.a. minimum)

    * Cheaper groceries, entertainment costs


When you factor that in, and more, in order to be left with $3,000 of discretionary monthly income, a person would in America need to be raking in at least $70,000.



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The point is, why should an employee be expected to save the money for air tickets when Interlink is contracted to supply air tickets home and why is it wrong for an employee to complain when Interlink skims the money off the top?


In fairness, you DO have a point. But this is not something that came out of the blue and this is one of those problems that CAN be solved with a bit of foresight and planning. I don't agree with the claim that it's down to skulduggery of the company or that it is some kind of a cataclysmic issue.

The employer is required to provide you an annual round-trip ticket to your port of origin. Of course, if INTERLINK was doing that, the complaints would flood in about how you were given a ticket to XYZ when in fact you want to vacation in ABC.

As far as I'm concerned, at the same time as the company renews your contract for the following year, it should send you a notice of how much it plans to give you for your annual airticket. You can then book it yourself then or later, to wherever you want to go.
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Thor3K



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 3:18 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm far from a happy EGA employee and I will be posting a full and frank review of my time with this "outfit" soon.

However, I have to say that I (as well as the other teachers at my center) received flight money this week and it was a more than fair amount. In fact they have even paid us a couple of hundred riyals more than the price of the flights.

On this particular point they have been fair with the teachers at our center (worth noting that there's no consistency whatsoever across this company's project sites).
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Skeletor



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 6:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

So Mashkif when you say making 3,000 a month you mean 3,000 dollars after tax, rent, transportation, bills, groceries, and entertainment. Yes, Mashkif if you have $3,000 at the end of the month after paying for everything, that is a lot of money. Interlink does not pay even close to that much.

But hang on there buddy, is $3,000 a lot of money or not a lot of money because in your original post you said

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Even someone making $3,000 a month can set aside that amount within a half year.


So, sorry Mahkif, in terms to your original post whereby you quantify the amount with the word 'even', the answer is no, it is not fair of Interlink to skim off the top.

And in answer to your later posts whereby $3,000 changed from gross to net to disposable income, no, Interlink should not be skimming off the top.


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grayskies



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 6:30 am    Post subject: EGA Reply with quote

Consistency comes from the top. I believe the top management is Dr. X who was the dean of Yamamah University for 2 years, and his brother Y who accounts for all the money transactions with the company.

The problem with some instructors is that they do not look after one another. Rather, they want to climb to the top and by doing so, they tell top management how to say money at the the expense of teachers.

While reading this thread, I'm thinking the owners of this company are laughing, knowing the teachers will take the blame for all their wrong dealings.
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mashkif



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 9:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Skeletor wrote:
So Mashkif when you say making 3,000 a month you mean 3,000 dollars after tax, rent, transportation, bills, groceries, and entertainment. Yes, Mashkif if you have $3,000 at the end of the month after paying for everything, that is a lot of money. Interlink does not pay even close to that much.


I DID say $3,000 "net," "disposable," and "discretionary" several times. That is what "after tax, rent, transportation, bills, groceries, and entertainment" means.

Now, do correct me if I'm wrong, but INTERLINK pays about $40,000, correct? That works out at just over $3,000 gross (GROSS!) per month. You pay no tax, no rent, no electric/water. I believe the kids' school fees are also paid in part or in full by INTERLINK. Your only costs are the groceries and whatever passes for entertainment in Saudi. Therefore, you do make pretty close to $3,000 net. As I said, do correct me if I am mistaken, and I don't say the flippantly.



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But hang on there buddy, is $3,000 a lot of money or not a lot of money because in your original post you said

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Even someone making $3,000 a month can set aside that amount within a half year.


So, sorry Mahkif, in terms to your original post whereby you quantify the amount with the word 'even', the answer is no, it is not fair of Interlink to skim off the top.


I am not sure what that has to do with anything. My point was that even the most meager instructor's salary should be sufficient for a person to arrange for their summer airtickets well in advance of whenever INTERLINK furnishes the (supposedly much too little) money for them.



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And in answer to your later posts whereby $3,000 changed from gross to net to disposable income, no, Interlink should not be skimming off the top.


Well, another poster gainsays that, but if it does happen, yes, it is underhanded to say the least. Judging by many posts about this particular company though, this is a comparatively minor issue and one, which can easily be resolved by an employee with the least bit of foresight.

Anyhow, I think we're done here. Whatever happens and wherever you're going, bon voyage!
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Skeletor



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interlink does not pay for children's education even partially. Once you deduct the children's education. No, you don't have enough for entertainment or support Interlink financially.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 10:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cheapskate employers do not contribute to education costs. That is just about every contractor that you can find. The same ones usually do not pay for other expenses involved in bringing dependants.

GO DIRECT HIRE - or go an work with the idyllically happy and very prosperous sicklyman.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Fri May 09, 2014 8:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
Cheapskate employers do not contribute to education costs. That is just about every contractor that you can find. The same ones usually do not pay for other expenses involved in bringing dependants.

Ditto that. Contracting companies are in the business of making money, and therefore, try to keep their overhead as minimal as possible. Employee benefits like education allowances, flights for dependents, above-average health insurance, national holidays plus 60 days of paid-time off in the summer, compound housing, etc., would cut into profits and thus, are cost prohibitive. Granted, not all direct-hire opportunities offer primo benefits, but they provide a much better deal compared to contracting companies, especially for expats with families.
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mashkif



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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
scot47 wrote:
Cheapskate employers do not contribute to education costs. That is just about every contractor that you can find. The same ones usually do not pay for other expenses involved in bringing dependants.

Ditto that. Contracting companies are in the business of making money, and therefore, try to keep their overhead as minimal as possible. Employee benefits like education allowances, flights for dependents, above-average health insurance, national holidays plus 60 days of paid-time off in the summer, compound housing, etc., would cut into profits and thus, are cost prohibitive. Granted, not all direct-hire opportunities offer primo benefits, but they provide a much better deal compared to contracting companies, especially for expats with families.






Isn't INTERLINK direct hire? I mean, it's not a recruiting agency, right?
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lcanupp1964



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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 9:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Any company that provides teachers for a school/university is not a direct hire. The key word is "company". They pimp you out to the school/university. They sign a contract with the school/university to supply teachers for a profit, thus they are a "contracting company".

If you were hired "directly" by KAU, for example, you would only deal with the KAU hiring staff and would never work with someone NOT directly part of the KAU staff. At KAU, these people work in the "Recruitment Unit", an internal operation within the university.

Inside, direct hire. Outside, non-direct hire.

If you have any problems with your visa, or any other aspect of the hiring process, you would contact the hiring staff at the university. If you have no communication with the school/university and you have to communicate with somebody outside the university, you are not a direct hire.
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Skeletor



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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Interlink has a contract with TVTC to run the post graduate English language programs at some of TVTC's technical collages. TVTC pays Interlink and the cheaper that Interlink can get the overheads down, i.e. cut back on insurance, housing, and air tickets etc, the more money Interlink makes.

If you are an employee of Interlink, you work at a technical college and not for a technical college.

And Mashkif - Teachers shouldn't have to save for their air tickets in advance. Stop supporting the millionaires and start supporting the workers.
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Grendal



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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 3:20 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know this may sound lame but, what about saving the money that is required to buy the full tickets once interlink gives you your underestimated travel allowance?

For example, they give you $7000 US and the tickets are $11000 US by the time you are ready and have your holiday, and the dates confirmed by your company. So you actually might want to put aside 500 SAR every month once you return from this holiday. This will amount to 5500 SAR by next holiday, it may not be enough to cover the difference but it will make up for most of it.


so let it be written, so let it be done.

G
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saudiman



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PostPosted: Sat May 10, 2014 11:26 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

"We will find the cheapest price that we can a couple of weeks prior to the date of contract completion, and ask you agree to that amount at that time. Go ahead, just sign and initial.

Now wait until we pay you the sums owed on return airfare to actually buy your airfare. You can expect to receive payment within 1 - 3 days prior to the date of contract completion so that we can be sure that you don't pull a 'runner' and leave all those nice students behind prior to contract completion.

Immediately after you receive payment, purchase your tickets, but not any sooner. I know, I know, the ticket prices will more than likely be a couple thousand dollars higher than what we offered and asked you to agree to. Don't worry, you can make it up next year when you return to KSA to work with us again because you don't have any money, right ?

Please note the realistic possibility of at least one of your children being placed on a waiting list and forced to fly to your destination unaccompanied or accidentally misplaced and irrecoverable along with your baggage due to the fact that millions of Saudi Arabians will more than likely be purchasing their tickets on or around the same date so that they may visit their families in different locations throughout the Kingdom (it's Ramadhan: Saudi Christmas)."
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 11:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Their role is akin to that of the pimp. That is how they should be regarded.
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johnslat



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PostPosted: Sun May 11, 2014 1:29 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Dear scot47,

Many pimps are actually often more decent - some of them, at least, actually protect the merchandise. Enlightened self-interest, you see.

Regards,
John
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