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nomad soul
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Unfortunately, with education costs rising each year, the longer you put off returning to university, the more it will cost you.
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lucifer911
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I understand. This is due to rich international students coming here and driving up the price of university fees for us domestic students. They come here with close to 50k in their bank accounts or more thanks to rich parents in China, Malaysia and India. A chinese trained accountant was telling me she was sympathetic towards australian students because unlike her many of us have to foot our own bills through university and do not have the luxury of having rich parents who own businesses in China. She processes tax returns of australian students and australian employees so she knows exactly how hard us australian students have it. We aren't as bad as United States but we are definately heading down the path. Unfortunately when our government got a taste of international funds it becomes their priority to get more of that money which screws over domestics students. Adelaide University for example has increased full fee paying places and has made it almost impossible to gain entry to unless you have the money to pay for the course fees upfront (I blame this on the rich international chinese students)
Our university selection criteria caters more towards people with money rather than people with intelligence and high marks in high school.
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Unfortunately, with education costs rising each year, the longer you put off returning to university, the more it will cost you.
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suphanburi
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| Posted: Fri May 23, 2014 12:56 am Post subject: |
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| This is due to rich international students coming here and driving up the price of university fees for us domestic students. |
That statement is blatantly false in the majority of cases.
Unlike domestic students (who usually enjoy a tax subsidized tuition unless they study at a "private, for profit" university) an international student typically pays the full freight AND supplies a profit to the University to assist in keeping domestic costs down (which is why most universities try so hard to attract international students).
International students may drive up housing costs in university towns (supply and demand) but they usually keep tuition costs to domestic students much lower than they otherwise would be by providing additional operational funds to the universities.
In smaller universities international students may pay the same tuition costs but the additional revenue from increased enrollment allows the university to attract staff and materiel that they couldn't otherwise afford on the rates they charge.
Additionally, public or publicly funded/state universities do not have shareholders to dispense dividends to so the extra money (profit) goes into operational or capital cost budgets allowing public universities to keep standards up.
And in closing, you don't need to take my word for it. Publicly funded / state universities have to publish their operational budgets annually. They are a matter of public record. See for yourself.
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jtea
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I'm starting to see the irony here. You're blaming "rich" immigrants for everything yet you're trying to immigrate. People who are able to pay for the schools aren't the reason why the cost is so high, but keep telling yourself that. You obviously have a certain animosity towards people who are more privileged than you are. I didn't realize that those people can't deserve better education.
Also, as much as you hate places like China and India...Russia is your place of choice? You're in for a very rude awakening then. Your view of other countries and how things work is already so skewed, nothing is going to change your mind. I honestly don't even understand at this point why you're trying to move to another country, especially Asia of all places.
But good luck with everything, maybe some experience on how the real world works is just what you need. |
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lucifer911
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teaching english abroad is not threatening the local jobs in that specific country. Unlike here we have indian students studying at our universities then applying for *australian graduate* positions which we have to compete for. Look likes you are a advocate of a capitalist system while I advocate equal opportunity for every single person regardless of socioeconomic class. University caters towards the elite in society not the poor.
There is no irony because I don't intend to take up a local engineering or IT job in Russia. I completely disagree with you... if people stopped paying the excessive uni fees then they would eventually reduce the fees to an acceptable amount which people would pay. The fact is rich students of chinese families can pay the money which means our domestic fees will also rise. China and India have a combined population close to 3 billion people while Australia is under 30 million people. China have many millionaires who can afford to pay fees upfront which takes its toll on domestic students.
I hate capitalism and democracy.. they are both failed systems. Democratic countries are controlled by the wealthy elites who can fund their own political agenda.
I think this board is counter productive with your ridiculous troll-like messages. Are you even born in Australia?
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I'm starting to see the irony here. You're blaming "rich" immigrants for everything yet you're trying to immigrate. People who are able to pay for the schools aren't the reason why the cost is so high, but keep telling yourself that. You obviously have a certain animosity towards people who are more privileged than you are. I didn't realize that those people can't deserve better education.
Also, as much as you hate places like China and India...Russia is your place of choice? You're in for a very rude awakening then. Your view of other countries and how things work is already so skewed, nothing is going to change your mind. I honestly don't even understand at this point why you're trying to move to another country, especially Asia of all places.
But good luck with everything, maybe some experience on how the real world works is just what you need. |
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suphanburi
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Send this thread to the troll bin.
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lucifer911
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can you give me a very legitimate why our universities have increased their fees in the last 10 years or not? or are you another pro capitalism advocate who believes universities should break bank accounts of people and leave them with monster debts?
international students come here and take up our local jobs and usually work for cheaper wages which undermines our job security. In Australia indians control the taxi industry, the security industry, most of IT industry and now making their move on our health sector. How many australians control an industry in India? they take our jobs but we cannot go there and compete for their local highly prized jobs.
I don't see how international students benefit us. They just make getting a job more competitive, make it harder to find a part time job, and drive up inner city accomodation. If I had things my way I would ban international students from coming here. There are universities in India and China.. how many australians fill up indian universities and chinese universities then take up their local jobs?
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| lucifer911 wrote: |
| This is due to rich international students coming here and driving up the price of university fees for us domestic students. |
That statement is blatantly false in the majority of cases.
Unlike domestic students (who usually enjoy a tax subsidized tuition unless they study at a "private, for profit" university) an international student typically pays the full freight AND supplies a profit to the University to assist in keeping domestic costs down (which is why most universities try so hard to attract international students).
International students may drive up housing costs in university towns (supply and demand) but they usually keep tuition costs to domestic students much lower than they otherwise would be by providing additional operational funds to the universities.
In smaller universities international students may pay the same tuition costs but the additional revenue from increased enrollment allows the university to attract staff and materiel that they couldn't otherwise afford on the rates they charge.
Additionally, public or publicly funded/state universities do not have shareholders to dispense dividends to so the extra money (profit) goes into operational or capital cost budgets allowing public universities to keep standards up.
And in closing, you don't need to take my word for it. Publicly funded / state universities have to publish their operational budgets annually. They are a matter of public record. See for yourself.
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lucifer911
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based on one of your previous messages it appears you live in Canada not Australia. Why try to tell me what the australian situation is when I have lived here all my life?
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Send this thread to the troll bin.
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HLJHLJ
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| You don't sound mature enough to live on your own, let alone in another country. You need to get some perspective or you'll get eaten alive in Russia. |
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lucifer911
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I have lived on my own for a few years now. What do you mean get some perspective? so I'm not allowed to voice my opinion against overpriced university education which only the rich can afford?
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| You don't sound mature enough to live on your own, let alone in another country. You need to get some perspective or you'll get eaten alive in Russia. |
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nomad soul
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How many australians control an industry in India? they take our jobs but we cannot go there and compete for their local highly prized jobs.
I don't see how international students benefit us. They just make getting a job more competitive, make it harder to find a part time job, and drive up inner city accomodation. If I had things my way I would ban international students from coming here. There are universities in India and China.. how many australians fill up indian universities and chinese universities then take up their local jobs? |
The world isn't perfect---human nature being what it is. Nor does the world owe you or me anything. You either change what you can (including yourself) or learn to live with it.
But anyway, while you're on this particular rant, how many Indigenous Australians control industries in Australia and monopolize the Australian job market? No need to answer, but if you expect to teach English to other nationalities abroad, you'll need to first do some serious soul-searching on why you harbor such strong animosity toward certain groups of people. Otherwise, I suggest you rethink your initial comments about how teachers don't need degrees to be effective because in order to be a highly effective ESL/EFL teacher, you need to have a certain level of cultural awareness. Yet, there's no evidence of any cultural sensitivity or awareness in your posts. Being a university student in a multicultural classroom can be a good learning experience for you. Anyway, my point is that it doesn't seem TEFL is the right career path for you.
Lastly, the way to make yourself more marketable in a competitive job market is to get a degree. Period. |
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HLJHLJ
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I have lived on my own for a few years now. What do you mean get some perspective? so I'm not allowed to voice my opinion against overpriced university education which only the rich can afford?
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Sure you can, but you are coming across as hysterical and paranoid. "OMG the foreigners are coming, the foreigners are coming! Quick the drawbridge!" And this in a country that has such a sterling track record on the oppression of its own indigenous people.
There are still countries in Europe where you can get a free, or virtually free, education, even if you are Australian. Do some research and find out where you can go to get your degree. Assuming you are bright enough to get in of course.
Or, stay as you are, keep whining about the whole world being against you, how nothing is ever your fault and how totally unreasonable it is to expect a teacher to be educated.
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lucifer911
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I have worked in the manufacturing sector to support myself through university - only to witness my jobs being sent to China. Am I meant to celebrate jobs being outsourced to China which drives up unemployment rates? I have seen appalling videos on how chinese treat animals not to mention the situation in Tibet. Also chinese ships crashing into vietnamese vessels in Vietnamese waters to take their oil - China is a rogue tyrant nation.
I guess the rule is to turn a blind eye on politics in order to become a better teacher?
I have an animosity towards a capitalist system not races of people. I firmly believe capitalist systems screw over the working class and reward the minority wealthy types. Maybe you will think like me if read up on Karl Marx.
I have been a university student and have been friends with a chinese and malaysian student. Though I wasn't fortunate enough to be funded through university like they were. I'm not sure what sort of attitude I am meant to have if I notice unfairness and preferential treatment of wealthy students?
Anyway I have gone off topic a little.. maybe if universities charged *reasonable prices* or had free education I wouldn't be so bitter and angry.
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How many australians control an industry in India? they take our jobs but we cannot go there and compete for their local highly prized jobs.
I don't see how international students benefit us. They just make getting a job more competitive, make it harder to find a part time job, and drive up inner city accomodation. If I had things my way I would ban international students from coming here. There are universities in India and China.. how many australians fill up indian universities and chinese universities then take up their local jobs? |
The world isn't perfect---human nature being what it is. Nor does the world owe you or me anything. You either change what you can (including yourself) or learn to live with it.
But anyway, while you're on this particular rant, how many Indigenous Australians control industries in Australia and monopolize the Australian job market? No need to answer, but if you expect to teach English to other nationalities abroad, you'll need to first do some serious soul-searching on why you harbor such strong animosity toward certain groups of people. Otherwise, I suggest you rethink your initial comments about how teachers don't need degrees to be effective because in order to be a highly effective ESL/EFL teacher, you need to have a certain level of cultural awareness. Yet, there's no evidence of any cultural sensitivity or awareness in your posts. Being a university student in a multicultural classroom can be a good learning experience for you. Anyway, my point is that it doesn't seem TEFL is the right career path for you.
Lastly, the way to make yourself more marketable in a competitive job market is to get a degree. Period. |
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