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Longing for Nippon
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 Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:28 pm Post subject: Other Jobs? |
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| I have been browsing Gaijinpot.com and it has several jobs advertised that dont involve teaching. Has anyone any knowledge or experience of these positions? Do they have better working conditions that EFL teaching? Most of them are sales or recruitment consulting of some sort, looks dodgy to me. Waste of time? |
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guest of Japan
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:33 pm Post subject: |
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| You can get the best job you are qualified for. Maybe. |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 12:36 pm Post subject: Re: Other Jobs? |
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| Longing for Nippon wrote: |
| Most of them are sales or recruitment consulting of some sort, looks dodgy to me. Waste of time? |
A lot of sales reps are not cut out to be English teachers either. each to his own. a lot of the sales reps for the big TEFL publishers were ex-language teachers. Many would say that teaching English is a dodgy job to be in as well. |
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monkey_z
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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| I think one of the main reguirements for those OTHER jobs is a command of Japanese. I think about 1 Kyu and up. |
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Longing for Nippon
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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Maybe hit a raw nerve with a few of you there. Just curious and didnt mean to insult anyone with the tone of my comments about the jobs available.
Really wanted to know what people did other than teach? |
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Glenski
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Really wanted to know what people did other than teach? |
As written by someone else, whatever they are qualified for. And, for non-teaching jobs, a major qualification is a high level of Japanese.
You are going to find foreigners in Japan that run their own businesses, that are part of large and small corporations, that work in bars, that cook, that write, that translate, that proofread, etc.
Some of those jobs have better conditions that EFL jobs. Many don't. It just depends on what you consider better. Whether those non-teaching jobs are a waste of time, or whether those that you saw advertised are put out by dodgy recruiters is anyone's guess. Since this is a teaching forum, you probably won't find many people with the direct experience you need to answer that question. Have you posted it on gaijinpot.com? |
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PAULH
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| Posted: Mon Jun 28, 2004 9:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Longing for Nippon wrote: |
Maybe hit a raw nerve with a few of you there. Just curious and didnt mean to insult anyone with the tone of my comments about the jobs available.
Really wanted to know what people did other than teach? |
there are plenty of other people out there who do non-teaching jobs, but as Glenski pointed out they are qualified or they have the language skills. Many also have spouse or permanent resident visas which allow them to do those things. On an instructors visa you can only teach English.
I have a Permanent resident visa and have side income from hotel work. High-intermediate -level Japanese. |
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Lynn
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I asked the same question a few months ago. I've never met any American in Japan who was not an English teacher or a bar owner. Those seem to be the only two jobs available. Yeah, I see ads for others, but I've never seen, met or heard of any American doing one of those jobs I've seen posted in gaijinpot or other websites.
I have a Japanese husband and can "legally" do any job. I wanted to do a non-teaching job like working at a conbini or cafe or something just to stay busy, but he said I probably wouldn't get hired. It's just not done. Oh, and I do speak Japanese, by the way. |
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bearcat
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| Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 1:20 am Post subject: |
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Well Lynn, you can either listen to your husband or you can try and apply.
But remember, speaking Japanese isn't enough. You had better be able to read as well. |
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Lynn
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Well Lynn, you can either listen to your husband or you can try and apply.
But remember, speaking Japanese isn't enough. You had better be able to read as well. |
I don't think I'm even going to bother. Hiring a gaijin is just way too much trouble. Japan is very new to immigrants. I mean, it would be just way too akward for everyone. The customers would get confused and flustered. They would probably even stop going to that conbini. They'd be too afraid to ask me questions or afraid to pay their bills fearing I didn't know what I was doing.
It's way too much of a liability for a conbini to take on.
And yes, you are so right about reading Japanese. |
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bearcat
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Actually I've seen a few foreigners working at em in my area. I've also seen on TV a few years ago a feature about a guy who managed one.
Do as you wish but inroads are never made by going the opposite direction. |
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Sherri
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| I know of lots of non-Japanese people doing jobs other than teaching. They work in finance, banking, and IT, some are engineers, interpreters, translators, PCOs (professional conference organizers). I can't imagine why a native English speaker would want to work in a convenience store at what, 900 yen an hour? You can get at least double that teaching English! Local hires usually can speak, read and write Japanese. |
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Mike L.
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There's a PT kombini workker fomr Kazhakstan in my neigborhood.
I've seen some in Tokyo..
It's possible for sure!!! |
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azarashi sushi
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Ditto Sherri.
Why would you want to work in a convenience store... ESPECIALLY in Tokyo??????
That would have to be one of the worst jobs in the world. |
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Gordon
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| I can't think of any jobs in Japan I'd like more than teaching. Sumo maybe, but I don't hve the body for it, fortunately. I make 5-6,000 yen/hr teaching English in someone's house and get served coffee and fruit. Why would you want to work in the service industry for 800-1000 yen/hr? |
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