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Hermosillo

the employee to teach different courses in different campuses and for different projects, and the employee agrees to the Company's arrangement.

Offered a position....this is in the contract, along with 24 pages of other ways they can reduce your salary. Is this standard or standard BS throw it in the garbage? Shocked

The_Kong · Joined: 15 Apr 2014 Posts: 349

Bud Powell · Joined: 11 Jul 2013 Posts: 1736

Run. This sort of thing is common at public universities where a new campus has been built on the outskirts of the city. Teachers live on the old campus, then must commute between the campuses, sometimes having to go between campuses twice a day.

If a private company will farm you out to several different locations, you will be exhausted by the bus ride alone. You may be teaching 20 hours per week, then riding the bus 20+ hours + working in the office for another 20+ hours.

This is totally unacceptable. One this starts, it'll just get worse from there. This indicates that they don't have enough people to work for them. There's a reason for this, but you don't want to find out why. Really.

RUN!

doogsville · Joined: 17 Nov 2011 Posts: 924 Location: China

Tell them you'll agree to it as long as they insert the following clause.

The employee reserves the right to cancel classes depending on the employees mood/severity of hangover/willingness to turn up/ability to get out of bed currently occupied by particularly hot student. Classes containing more than 10% of unmotivated, lazy, belligerent and disrespectful students will be paid at 300% the base hourly rate and the employer agrees to the employees arrangement.

If they agree to it, then you're good to go. Otherwise, look elsewhere.

Alien abductee · Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 527 Location: Kuala Lumpur

It'd be worth adding a few pages of your own quirky amendments just to see the reaction. A 24 page contract is ridiculous though. I've never had one longer than 5-6 pages, and most of that is just standard stuff everyone has.

Hermosillo · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:27 pm Post subject:

It's EDUkeys........at their Changde campus. It was in both Chinese and English. but still.......yes, I agree, way too one sided. To top it off, they are placing all the risks and burdens with the visa (or not getting a visa) on the teacher. And a 30 day probationary period....I think I'm going to start telling them to send me the stuff and the 130 USD, so I can walk to the Chinese Consulate, here in Chiang Mai, Thailand, and a one way ticket (only about 300 usd from here), and a real contract.

"No shorts, slippers, or vests"....LOL!

jimpellow · Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 913

Looks like they offer prep programs for high school students who will study abroad. You don't see a lot of nasty threads in their defense, though I would be very reluctant to sign the contract as you describe it.

One thread from before right here with one good response.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=103308

Guy hits it on the head with prep programs. You have two bosses to contend with, your company and the school they place with you. I do think for salary and vacation they can be the way to go. Yet if at least one of your two bosses sucks, your life sucks too.

Looks like this is the job?

http://eslchinacafe.com/esljob_detail.htm?no=181&page=1&find=Hubei%20province&PHPSESSID=542dc8c128d57ae35a75708d4265aba1

Seems like in this city it may be a new program which if true, means more headache for you. "You never informed us that the five foreign teachers couldn't all live in the same room"

Pay looks good save it looks like the summer is unpaid from another ad I read? Also not great pay for what the market will currently compensate if you were intending to teach subjects like Math or Business.

Hermosillo · Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:18 pm Post subject:

15000 per month...but it looks like they will weasel on September (training) and Jan/feb are not full months.......don't care about Summer pay; that's just another reason for them to terminate you.

Considering half the country lives in sub-standard housing (likely more); I would like to see some photos/descriptions of the housing.

Life is just too good in Chiang Mai...I've got a long-stay visa, too. All legit....sure as fook not teaching here, though, but it's starting to look like more of the same visa BS, payday surprises as Thailand.

jimpellow · Joined: 12 Oct 2007 Posts: 913

"Life is just too good in Chiang Mai...I've got a long-stay visa, too. All legit....sure as fook not teaching here, though, but it's starting to look like more of the same visa BS, payday surprises as Thailand."

Thailand has good Internet. Why don't you teach on the Net? It takes some time and effort to find the path to the good money, but it will come if you are persistent, do your research, and especially if you can offer or master a niche that is demand. Then again, no lady boys to contend with in Changde.

Banner41 · Joined: 04 Jan 2011 Posts: 656 Location: Shanghai

I worked for EduKeys a few years back and that part was defiantly NOT in my contract.

They paid on time and the apartment was good. (Single of course)

Problem was the campus was in B.F.E. and you will surely earn that money with the amount of class prep and grading you will be doing in your off time.

Students were actually some of the best I ever had in China. Usually on time, well behaved, and willing to do all of the assignments. Your class experience may vary......

toteach · Joined: 29 Dec 2008 Posts: 273

The first school I taught at in China (1999) pimped me out for one 3-hour class per week. The other school was about 1.5 hours away, so the entire day was shot... The did send me via car and provide an awesome banquet each week, but still it was sooooo no worth it!