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MuscatGary
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The experiences that you mention are outrageous and certainly not any 'norm' here. Why not name and shame? why not put a case and refer to it in social media at least? why not have teachers support each other for these unethical and often criminal acts, go to management, ministry?
I will offer one reason. Because they are either false, highly over blown or completely one-sided.. |
I will offer another reason. It is because it would be against the rules of this forum. I see you joined recently to swiftly become the resident apologist for the very many problems associated with working in Oman so you wouldn't know the rules.
Sadly, some teachers will believe you, turn up in Oman with little money and high expectations and then pay the price. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 1:28 pm Post subject: |
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I would disagree that it is against the rules of the board to name and shame employers. Yes, one must avoid naming individuals, but recruiters? Every day there are many threads adding employer name to an individual rant about their personal complaints.
It is a given on boards like this that most of the posters will be the unhappy employees. Posters like Omanoman who try to be more measured and point out the obvious fact that there are teachers who seemed to have coped perfectly fine with employer X, are invariably piled on. The unhappy teachers accuse them of being "apologists" or "management." I know a significant number of teachers who went to Oman and taught a couple years with various recruiters... coped with the majority of issues... and moved on when they found something better.
But, they won't post here for the reasons I mentioned above...
I don't recall anyone coming on here and claiming that these recruiter jobs in Oman are great. From the day all of them showed up on the scene, we have been getting posts about the issues. Most of those who come here should arrive at their new position with some knowledge of the negatives... and be prepared to live with them for a year or two. I think many of the problems are similar to what is encountered around the world in this field. The pay has always been pretty much the bottom of the Gulf scale. To me the main benefit was that Oman is a more interesting country than the rest of the Gulf and it was a foot in the door - and if one has the proper MA, there are a decreasing number of better jobs in the other countries.
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MuscatGary
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 2:02 pm Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| I would disagree that it is against the rules of the board to name and shame employers. Yes, one must avoid naming individuals, but recruiters? Every day there are many threads adding employer name to an individual rant about their personal complaints.VS |
I have named and shamed. the MOHE routinely do not pay new teachers for five months. The MOHE break promises about what teachers must do before coming and then after arrival introduce new demands and threaten teachers with termination if they do not comply. Hawthorn provide shoddy accommodation. I was alluding to the rule about not naming individuals. |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:11 pm Post subject: |
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| I would disagree that it is against the rules of the board to name and shame employers. Yes, one must avoid naming individuals, but recruiters? Every day there are many threads adding employer name to an individual rant about their personal complaints.VS |
I have named and shamed. the MOHE routinely do not pay new teachers for five months. The MOHE break promises about what teachers must do before coming and then after arrival introduce new demands and threaten teachers with termination if they do not comply. Hawthorn provide shoddy accommodation. I was alluding to the rule about not naming individuals. |
I know... that is why your comment confused me. And others may have been confused too, so I clarified.
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MuscatGary
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 3:15 pm Post subject: |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| MuscatGary wrote: |
| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| I would disagree that it is against the rules of the board to name and shame employers. Yes, one must avoid naming individuals, but recruiters? Every day there are many threads adding employer name to an individual rant about their personal complaints.VS |
I have named and shamed. the MOHE routinely do not pay new teachers for five months. The MOHE break promises about what teachers must do before coming and then after arrival introduce new demands and threaten teachers with termination if they do not comply. Hawthorn provide shoddy accommodation. I was alluding to the rule about not naming individuals. |
I know... that is why your comment confused me. And others may have been confused too, so I clarified.
Yes, maybe I should have made it clearer I was referring to not naming individuals. I agree with the rule as they are probably not on here to defend themselves whereas I'm sure the recruiters have people monitoring the boards.
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omanoman
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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It's not paranoia if it's true ! (checks over shoulder to see if window is indeed closed)
I am not defending recruiters, if anything, I am defending Oman which you seem quite determined to insult and abuse both the government, colleges and the people.
Omanis at the airport escaping Ramadan? hmmm, possibly because it is 45 plus degrees outside?
Don't let cynicism take over MG, life is too short. |
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MuscatGary
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| Posted: Tue Jul 01, 2014 4:52 pm Post subject: |
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It's not paranoia if it's true ! (checks over shoulder to see if window is indeed closed) ???
I am not defending recruiters, if anything, I am defending Oman which you seem quite determined to insult and abuse both the government, colleges and the people. I'm not insulting anybody or anything, I'm relating my experiences.
Omanis at the airport escaping Ramadan? hmmm, possibly because it is 45 plus degrees outside? ...and still will be in August but watch the incoming arrivals then.
Don't let cynicism take over MG, life is too short. I'm not cynical just realistic. As I keep saying it was great here before this academic year but something changed and not for the better. |
It will be interesting to see what others post a few months into the next academic year! |
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Whatever will be
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 6:30 am Post subject: |
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Omanoman:
Why not name and shame?
Simple, it would disclose my identity and thus put me at risk of being fired for telling the truth.
I'm happy to walk away from this job but in my own time, when I have another job lined up and some savings to finance the move across countries.
Why don't you name the 4 different institutions that you've worked at so that we all can apply and have wonderful experiences just as you did? |
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nicole2010
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| Posted: Wed Jul 02, 2014 7:29 am Post subject: |
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| I am posting in support of Muscat Gary to add to the numbers of people who say it like it is in Oman. I think | |
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