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Trebek
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Thanks N.S. that sounds like a good plan. Only I'm going from a Chinese International School to either a Buxiban or a 2nd tier University (I just want low hours)... I'm taking a break this year.  |
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Trebek
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Damn Revilo! That's one of the worst employer stories I've heard yet! No I'm dealing with the typical "passive aggressive (nurse Ratchett?) type karnt".
And many thanks to you Macho, you just made my life MUCH easier! And yes, I will report back on this story/issue. |
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Non Sequitur
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Even if there isn't a 'status' thing there will be some embarrassment potential for the old school to be exposed in their blatant scam.
When we have the final result there might be room for a thread on 'What's the best way to avoid being scammed out of your final pay/airfare?' |
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Banner41
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| I would also like to hear how this ends. In no circumstance would I just walk away from this without making some noise. |
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Alien abductee
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Looks like you've already done some of this but to reiterate, politely remind your school of their obligations to you, their employee, who completed their end of the bargain. Use a polite friendly tone, and if that doesn't work, ask them what they'd do if their boss refused to pay them according to the contract, and how they'd feel. Tell them how much respect you have (had) for them till now and that you never thought you'd be treated this way. After a bit of self-reflection they might change their attitude and pay you. If that all fails, on your way out just make sure to let them know you'll be telling the ESL world all about your negative experience and be sure to send them links to wherever you do that so they know you followed through.
Since your school is closed it looks like you can't camp outside someone's office waiting to get a face to face with them, and if phone and email are your only contact options it looks like you have little leverage. This is the advantage of a university job, they're open till well after the time teachers finish their work and can't hide from you if they refuse to pay.
Good luck anyway. |
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jimpellow
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I am having a bit of trouble with the advice about threatening to destroy their reputation on the Internet. It is a logical and a possibly effective threat from a Western perspective, yet I don't think a Chinese lao da is capable of thinking out that far. They are pretty well solely focused on what is in it for them today. It is like the Chinese furniture maker who has a contract for ten shipments to a client in America. The first nine have adequate QC, but the last will be stacked with broken furniture. They think they are clever, and then wonder why they never get an order from that client again, and why their reputation is destroyed with time. They usually just change the name of the company or open a new company. Sound familiar with schools?
I like the FAO idea the best as you can't camp out. Alternatively, since China has no extradition treaties you could take a bat and... |
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Non Sequitur
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On balance, I agree with Jim.
The threat that you will choke off their future supply of teachers by naming and shaming, will have limited effect.
The 'get rich quick' mentality means pocketing your 10K of airfare is more of a positive, than a future possible difficulty of sourcing FTs is a negative. |
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Bud Powell
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| It does no good whatsoever to make threats to expose them on the internet, thereby ruining their chances of hiring FTs in the future. Just DO it, whether you are reimbursed or not. |
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Trebek
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
| It does no good whatsoever to make threats to expose them on the internet, thereby ruining their chances of hiring FTs in the future. Just DO it, whether you are reimbursed or not. |
That's my style, don't warn them whats going to happen. Just slap the crap out of them!!! Much more effective I think.
I'm going to try the City FAO option and the Safea FAO before I resort to a naming and shaming plan. Its a big organization and I would rather not injure the reputation of the entire company just because of one of their idiots. |
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Riff Raff
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I've got a better resume and skill sets than years before. But all the jobs offered want more time than ever. All of them refuse to negotiate with foreigners. All the cooperation I find is on our side of it. Want to bend over and take it or not?
Sucks to read this thread. Sorry to hear your plight, Trebek. Where is the outcry to follow the law from the trolls now?
I'm convinced that those in power in China really do hate Westerners. |
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Bud Powell
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If one is not returning to his country of origin at the end of his contract but moving in to a new Chinese school, the school is under no obligation to pay return airfare. Contracts call for REIMBURSEMENT of airfare.
The FT will receive cash for his flight in, but the school purchases the ticket home. Unless you have plans to go home, don't count on a return ticket OR cash.
I've NEVER seen an FT handed cash for the return flight home. He is given the actual ticket the day before he leaves. |
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Shroob
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
If one is not returning to his country of origin at the end of his contract but moving in to a new Chinese school, the school is under no obligation to pay return airfare. Contracts call for REIMBURSEMENT of airfare.
The FT will receive cash for his flight in, but the school purchases the ticket home. Unless you have plans to go home, don't count on a return ticket OR cash.
I've NEVER seen an FT handed cash for the return flight home. He is given the actual ticket the day before he leaves. |
Quite different to my experience. I was given cash in hand for the return flight.
My contract stated a return ticket - whether not not I used it. I could have bought it, not used it, but still have the money. |
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Guerciotti
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
If one is not returning to his country of origin at the end of his contract but moving in to a new Chinese school, the school is under no obligation to pay return airfare. Contracts call for REIMBURSEMENT of airfare.
The FT will receive cash for his flight in, but the school purchases the ticket home. Unless you have plans to go home, don't count on a return ticket OR cash.
I've NEVER seen an FT handed cash for the return flight home. He is given the actual ticket the day before he leaves. |
I have seen an FT handed cash for a return flight. And he never flew anywhere. Several of the teachers at the various schools where I was employed received cash instead of a flight.
I don't doubt your veracity, but there are other ways. Not all contracts specify reimbursement. Mine does not.
There's more than one way to skin a cat. The devil's in the details. The only thing we have to fear is, fear itself. |
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Bud Powell
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| Shroob wrote: |
| Bud Powell wrote: |
If one is not returning to his country of origin at the end of his contract but moving in to a new Chinese school, the school is under no obligation to pay return airfare. Contracts call for REIMBURSEMENT of airfare.
The FT will receive cash for his flight in, but the school purchases the ticket home. Unless you have plans to go home, don't count on a return ticket OR cash.
I've NEVER seen an FT handed cash for the return flight home. He is given the actual ticket the day before he leaves. |
Quite different to my experience. I was given cash in hand for the return flight.
My contract stated a return ticket - whether not not I used it. I could have bought it, not used it, but still have the money. |
Different from your experience? Was your RP canceled? Did the school take your FEC? Did you give indication that you'd go home rather than move on to another school?
Someone please tell me how I can collect cash for a plane ticket when I have no intention of going home. I've worked mostly for public universities. Not only have I never seen or heard of cash paid to those not going home and moving on to other Chinese schools, but the universities have picked my departure date, even though my RP had another ten days left on it. We collect a small amount for travel at the end of the contract, but I've rarely been allowed the time to do any traveling at the end of a contract that I didn't renew.
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Shroob
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
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| Bud Powell wrote: |
If one is not returning to his country of origin at the end of his contract but moving in to a new Chinese school, the school is under no obligation to pay return airfare. Contracts call for REIMBURSEMENT of airfare.
The FT will receive cash for his flight in, but the school purchases the ticket home. Unless you have plans to go home, don't count on a return ticket OR cash.
I've NEVER seen an FT handed cash for the return flight home. He is given the actual ticket the day before he leaves. |
Quite different to my experience. I was given cash in hand for the return flight.
My contract stated a return ticket - whether not not I used it. I could have bought it, not used it, but still have the money. |
Different from your experience? Was your RP canceled? Did the school take your FEC? Did you give indication that you'd go home rather than move on to another school? |
Yeah, they knew I was going home. I bought the return ticket myself and told them the amount. They gave me the cash equivalent a month or so before I was due to leave. My RP still had three months on it.
My colleague who stayed in China had the same experience.
I was job hunting a few months ago - in some contracts I saw 'return airfare or if the teacher stays in China the equivalent', or words to that effect. |
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