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Hatcher
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 Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:27 am Post subject: Salaries for teaching subjects, mainly science and economics |
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| It is interesting to see the salaries recently advertised for teaching subject classes. Many are over 20,000/mo and some are over 25,000/mo... a few at 30,000/mo such as Bejing80 today. |
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Alien abductee
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 3:51 am Post subject: |
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| Higher demand and low supply will do that. |
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Guerciotti
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 4:25 pm Post subject: |
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LOL supply and demand FTW!
Many subject teaching jobs pay about 15k net of taxes. I think those 25k and 30k positions might be quoted before tax, and I'm not sure if you must pay for your accommodation out of that salary. Still a good salary.
Some of the 20k - 30k positions require more experience and possibly teaching credentials as well as a relevant degree.
By the way, how difficult is it to gain a PGCSE credential?
I think a realistic range for subject teaching varies from about 15k to 30k per month.
YMMV |
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golsa
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
By the way, how difficult is it to gain a PGCSE credential? |
As I understand it, getting a PGCE requires one year of study in the UK. Once you have PGCE, you can then do a supervised teaching practice and gain QTS (Qualified Teacher Status) and get the really good jobs at international schools once you have 2-4 years experience teaching the UK's national curriculum for your subject.
There are also a few universities which offer online PCGE courses, but the prices I've seen are steep. 10,000+ pounds, if memory serves. |
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expatteacher1
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 5:22 pm Post subject: |
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You can do the whole PGCE online these days. Nottingham and Sunderland University both offer it.
The only (potential) issue is that while you gain a PGCE you do not get English Qualified Teacher Status without having done the teaching practicum.
You couldn't work as a teacher in England or Wales without having done that part as well, but I believe (anecdotally) many International Schools may waive the QTS requirement if faced with a shortage of suitable candidates. |
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Guerciotti
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:34 pm Post subject: |
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Ouch. Thanks for the PGCE information. For 10000 pounds I can finish an online MS without a year in England. Nothing wrong with England - I've been there and thoroughly enjoyed it - but it's a long way from home.
There are more than a few subject teaching positions paying around 15k without a PGCE or other teaching qualification. I'll work with that. Of course, the hiring season is all but over.
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expatteacher1
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
Ouch. Thanks for the PGCE information. For 10000 pounds I can finish an online MS without a year in England. Nothing wrong with England - I've been there and thoroughly enjoyed it - but it's a long way from home.
There are more than a few subject teaching positions paying around 15k without a PGCE or other teaching qualification. I'll work with that. Of course, the hiring season is all but over.
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Nottingham's is £3170.
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/education/prospective/pgcei/shanghai.aspx#Shanghaifees
Sunderland's is more expensive I believe but much less competitive to get on to. Nottingham is an excellent university, Sunderland not so good. |
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naturegirl321
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 6:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Sunderland is 6k |
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Shroob
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 7:12 pm Post subject: |
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| expatteacher1 wrote: |
| Guerciotti wrote: |
Ouch. Thanks for the PGCE information. For 10000 pounds I can finish an online MS without a year in England. Nothing wrong with England - I've been there and thoroughly enjoyed it - but it's a long way from home.
There are more than a few subject teaching positions paying around 15k without a PGCE or other teaching qualification. I'll work with that. Of course, the hiring season is all but over.
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Nottingham's is £3170.
http://www.nottingham.ac.uk/education/prospective/pgcei/shanghai.aspx#Shanghaifees
Sunderland's is more expensive I believe but much less competitive to get on to. Nottingham is an excellent university, Sunderland not so good. |
I don't know much about this at all, but the problem I have with this is it's not equivalent to a PGCE in that it's not subject specific. I could be wrong, and please feel free to correct me, but with a PGCE you get actual classroom experience (entailing the most important aspect of teacher training - feedback) in a subject you intent to teach e.g. maths, biology, etc. The PGCEi doesn't seem to offer that, or any practicum.
Now, it may be worth the investment for China, and be acceptable for international schools. However, it's important to remember it does not offer QTS (nor does the PGCE) and having it recognised in the west may be troublesome. If my memory serves me rightly, you have 5 years to 'convert' a PGCE to QTS. I've no idea how, or if this is possible, with a PGCEi. All questions to ask!
But thanks for the information, it will definitely be of benefit to some. |
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Alien abductee
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| Posted: Sat Jul 26, 2014 10:56 pm Post subject: |
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| Guerciotti wrote: |
| LOL supply and demand FTW! |
Hmmm what I meant was there aren't a lot of people in China with those quals so the salary will be high relative to what other jobs offer. Of course people who get these jobs will be working full time hours for that money. |
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Hatcher
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As the OP, I did say for science and economics. My after tax salary and including housing is just over 20,000/mo and I dont have a PGSE.
And for these subjects, of course you need a degree related to the subject. More work? Yes, of course. |
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Guerciotti
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| Alien abductee wrote: |
| Guerciotti wrote: |
| LOL supply and demand FTW! |
Hmmm what I meant was there aren't a lot of people in China with those quals so the salary will be high relative to what other jobs offer. Of course people who get these jobs will be working full time hours for that money. |
Pardon my internet acronym slang. FTW = for the win! So I agree, supply and demand raises salaries for these positions. |
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Alien abductee
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:16 am Post subject: |
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Haha I thought you meant WTF in reverse.
Guess I'm not well-schooled in early 21st c. internet slang  |
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Guerciotti
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:27 am Post subject: |
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| Alien abductee wrote: |
Haha I thought you meant WTF in reverse.
Guess I'm not well-schooled in early 21st c. internet slang |
OIC. Don't worry, IME, AFAIK, IMHO, no one pays for knowledge of internet slang.
haha
OIC = oh, I see
IME = in my experience
AFAIK = as far as I know
IMHO = in my humble experience |
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Guerciotti
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| Posted: Sun Jul 27, 2014 1:31 am Post subject: |
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| Hatcher wrote: |
As the OP, I did say for science and economics. My after tax salary and including housing is just over 20,000/mo and I dont have a PGSE.
And for these subjects, of course you need a degree related to the subject. More work? Yes, of course. |
Yes, you did say science and economics. I contend that the salaries range down into the high teens including housing, and up to 30k as you stated.
My salary is near the low end but if you can do better, by all means. I teach economics.
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