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Teaching in Saudi as a single parent
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 2:43 pm    Post subject: Teaching in Saudi as a single parent Reply with quote

Hello,

Recovering from a financially devastating divorce that left me a single dad. Looking for a good place to go to make money in my chosen field (ESL), but will need to have my 5-year old child in tow. How logistically possible would it be to bring a small child with me? Is child care available? How about schooling? Is this something that employers or the visa process supports?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 3:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Some things to consider given your situation:

- Your son might not be able to join you in country until you've passed your probationary period of three months. Even then, you'd have to figure out when you could fly home to get him.

- Moving across the world is traumatic enough for any child whose parents recently split. KSA will be a even a bigger shock for your son due to the culture change. Plus, you won't be available every minute of the day for him.

- Child care, as you know it in the US, UK, Canada, etc., doesn't exist in the Kingdom. Moreover, due to the Kingdom's gender-segregation law, as a male, you wouldn't be permitted to have a nanny (woman) care for your child in your home.

- You're limited to employers that provide a housing allowance.

- Not all employers provide medical insurance nor an education benefit for dependents. Be aware, school isn't cheap if you expect to save money. There's also the cost of hiring a private driver to take your child to/from school.


Others might have more to add, but I think you get the picture.
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 5:07 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Cringed a bit with nomad soul's second piece of advice. I'm sure you're more than aware of the trauma that your own son has been though and whether he would benefit from being overseas or not.

And as someone who was in exactly the situation of your son when I was 9 years old, I can speak from personal experience and say that being overseas was the best thing that ever happened to me at the time.

if you have a relevant MA then the only kind of employment that might... just might... make this doable for you is direct hire with Aramco. That would get you accommodation and school fees and mean that, living on a compound, you would be able to even have childcare at home if you needed it. But those jobs are very hard to come by... particularly if you're not a young-un from the US.

Other than that, there's very little on offer that will meet your criteria. Saudi can be really stressful and the impact of that stress on yourself and your family should be carefully considered before taking the plunge.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 6:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sicklyman wrote:
Cringed a bit with nomad soul's second piece of advice. I'm sure you're more than aware of the trauma that your own son has been though and whether he would benefit from being overseas or not.

Actually, that wasn't my advice but rather my opinion in the context of taking children to the Middle East (specifically KSA) after a devastating divorce. However, I see your point; the OP obviously knows his little one and how, at age 5, he might take to being in KSA. But the OP's chances of getting work in the Kingdom that totally meets their needs are slim.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Mon Aug 04, 2014 7:50 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Difficult. I would not recommend it - even if you can find one of the good employers.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 05, 2014 10:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Depending on your qualifications, you might try the UAE for its more family-friendly environment and benefits. Typically, a related MA + 3 years' experience at the tertiary level is required for university foundation year English teaching positions (such as those at HCT). For international (k-12) schools, you'd need a teaching license relative to your degree major (see Teach Away's site).
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I have an MA TESOL, 4 years of university teaching experience, as well as a few years tutoring experience in business English and test prep. A few years experience teaching kids, but no teaching cert, so that might not be worth the bother.

I'll look into Aramco and also give carfeul thought to whether this would be good or bad for my son. (He's 4 years old....)

Given my credentials, does anyone else have thoughts on what kinds of jobs I might have a shot at that would work for me/my situation, either in Saudi or other decent paying Middle Eastern countries? I've become particularly interested in the region, not only because a lot of ME countries pay well, but also because pretty much every Middle Eastern student and professor I've worked with in the states (I work in international higher ed) has been someone I've really gotten along with.
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PeterDragon



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 6:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Also, @Nomad Soul--- I was thinking the UAE might be a bit more me/my son friendly, but don't you need previous Middle Eastern experience to work there? I've worked with students fromt he Middle East, but I've never worked IN the Middle East.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeterDragon:

I sent you a PM.
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baa_baa



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

PeterDragon wrote:
Also, @Nomad Soul--- I was thinking the UAE might be a bit more me/my son friendly, but don't you need previous Middle Eastern experience to work there? I've worked with students fromt he Middle East, but I've never worked IN the Middle East.


I was going to say the same thing try UAE. TRY TEACHAWAY.COM. You might find Sth you are looking for Goodluck.

Just a small note: amount of work is more in the UAE than here. It's very demanding there. But life is sweeet whereas you don't have a life here in ksa.
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baa_baa



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PostPosted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 9:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

A really good school in Riyadh is American international school. Aka AIS-R. You and your kid would be happy there during school hrs. It's all American expats.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 1:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

baa_baa wrote:
A really good school in Riyadh is American international school. Aka AIS-R. You and your kid would be happy there during school hrs. It's all American expats.

But he already told us that he isn't US certified, so they wouldn't consider him... nor would most of the Teachaway jobs.

VS
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The Fifth Column



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:15 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You seem to be slowing down in yer postings, VS. On the road nowadays or what? Confused
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baa_baa



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

veiledsentiments wrote:
baa_baa wrote:
A really good school in Riyadh is American international school. Aka AIS-R. You and your kid would be happy there during school hrs. It's all American expats.

But he already told us that he isn't US certified, so they wouldn't consider him... nor would most of the Teachaway jobs.

VS



Hey VS Very Happy

Good to see you.


Hmm I thought his MA and yrs of experience would get him through. I don't know it's worth a try.



Here's what I have to say to dragon:

-check out this website cause it is the only great school that will give the best experience to your kid. http://www.aisr.org.
-can you pay the fee if the place you will work for won't?
-check your offer and decide.

Just check for jobs in Riyadh so your kid can go to this school. They say they have a branch in jeddah but I'm not convinced it's the same quality.

You also will have a problem with rent.


See all this will add up to UAE, but then I wouldn't be able advise a good school for your kid. So maybe you should stay put.

For UAE try zayed uni. You might like what they'll offer.


Goodluck.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 3:02 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Fifth Column wrote:
You seem to be slowing down in yer postings, VS. On the road nowadays or what? Confused

Yes, I am on the road more these days... RV park wifi is often sketchy. Cool

VS
(Your avatar made me remember a long time poster who died about 3 years ago... still miss ole dmb... he used it for many years.)
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