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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| Shroob wrote: |
| That's just it. A true international school would have certain requirements. However, the average school doesn't do this and just sticks 'international' in front of their name. |
True? You mean traditionally, or the convention. And I should add proper, for the Brits. And Parnett's school is, I think, like one near me, promoting the idea that a very expensive school can adequately prepare students for western universities. Akin to boarding/preparatory schools in the west. Basically, they cater to upper class families and the hours of study are insane. And I was told the students won't take the Gaokao. And the salaries are high. But Parnett hasn't confirmed what I learned about the one near me-- these schools don't yet have a track record. They are, possibly, an evolving market. |
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expatteacher1
Joined: 12 Mar 2014 Posts: 37
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Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 7:08 pm Post subject: |
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| That salary isn't that good for Wuhan anymore. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:47 am Post subject: |
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| expatteacher1 wrote: |
| That salary isn't that good for Wuhan anymore. |
If I landed on the right website: 15-20k. What do you think an average should be? |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 527 Location: Kuala Lumpur
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:51 am Post subject: |
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| expatteacher1 wrote: |
| That salary isn't that good for Wuhan anymore. |
I'm just curious, what changed to make the place more expensive? |
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parnett
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 179 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 4:42 am Post subject: |
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13.5 rmb/month+free health insurance+nice free apartment 5 minutes walk from school+paid holidays including summer+free utilities+10,000 bonus at end of contract+roundtrip airfare+travel allowance+free Internet, cable TV, repairs in apartment+free meals at school etc.
The above was for a teacher with 16 hours/week teaching with no office hours.
Where exactly in Wuhan can I find a better job, expat? Please don't say Maple Leaf as I had several friends who taught there last semester, and couldn't wait for it to end so they could escape from their contracts. |
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LarssonCrew
Joined: 06 Jun 2009 Posts: 1308
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:11 am Post subject: |
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Is it 13,000 or 13,500?
16 hours with no office hours but before it was 'they like you to hang around the office for a few hours everday'
Plus the whole marketing thing 'go to the high school and show what we can do!' |
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Alien abductee
Joined: 08 Jun 2014 Posts: 527 Location: Kuala Lumpur
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 5:47 am Post subject: |
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| LarssonCrew wrote: |
Is it 13,000 or 13,500?
16 hours with no office hours but before it was 'they like you to hang around the office for a few hours everday' |
I don't see where he wrote "a few hours everday (sic)" without pay as you're implying. It was:
| parnett wrote: |
| However, the school encourages us to stick around for an extra hour or two a day. If you do this, you will get the full bonus (10,000 rmb) at the end of the school year. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 6:34 am Post subject: |
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IF I'm not mistaken, the school's website quotes a range of 15 to 20k. 20k being closer to the terms of a similar "international" high school in the much smaller city of Linchuan, Jiangxi, only 3+ hours away by train. I have yet to receive an answer from Parnett as to the school's development, but what LarssonCrew notes Plus the whole marketing thing 'go to the high school and show what we can do!' confirms my suspicions that it is not what the school can claim (to attract parents), but what it can propose-- acceptance abroad. I'm also wondering by what terms Parnett is acting as a recruiter.
The curriculum, as Parnett stated, emphasizes a US achievement test (termed Scholastic Aptitude Test) and the TOEFL. That's the same deal in Linchuan and the students cram hard, but FTs carry similar contact hours to a university position. I was astonished to learn the school's curricular focus supercedes preparation for the Gaokao and, for that reason, I see the promotional logic of terming the school 'international'.
I PM'd Parnett as requested, but received no reply. Nor has he replied to the question of what track-record the school can claim. The school of which I'm somewhat familiar is still in development-- they have yet to graduate a senior class. The organizing principle seems, to me, to propose a population of motivated, elite students can forego previous paths to admissions abroad.
Professionally, my response is the agenda takes "teaching to the test" to new levels. Yet, as objectives go, there isn't a lot in place in China, nor many other developing economies, other than affording large lecture classes to expose as many students as possible to authentic examples of English to leave it to the motivation of individual students to excel. And that model is often poorly served by textbooks to anchor activity. Thus anchoring a curriculum to both achievement and proficiency measures is likely viable to many education managers.
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expatteacher1
Joined: 12 Mar 2014 Posts: 37
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| buravirgil wrote: |
| expatteacher1 wrote: |
| That salary isn't that good for Wuhan anymore. |
If I landed on the right website: 15-20k. What do you think an average should be? |
An international school should be paying 15-20000 in those parts. I know of two who do (and not just advertise that they do as bait-and-switch). |
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parnett
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 179 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 9:55 am Post subject: |
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You sent me one message, Bura, and I promptly replied. Nowhere in your message were there any questions on curriculum and/ or track records. I suggest you look at your original mail.
I rarely start a new thread here at Dave's for a couple of reasons:
- The most simple thread will be parsed, analysed and then completely taken out of text. In my initial thread, I wrote that there were jobs available at my school. That's it. If you want the contact info, I will be back at school on Wednesday and will gladly give you the Head of the Department's email address so you can contact her about curriculum, track records, marketing etc. I am not a recruiter, nor will I be compensated for finding new teachers.
- Each time I post a new thread, after about three replies, someone will make a completely unrelated remark resulting in all further responses being completely off-topic.
If you are interested in the job, then p.m. me. If you are not, then please add your two cents to someone else's thread. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:38 am Post subject: |
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| parnett wrote: |
| You sent me one message, Bura, and I promptly replied. Nowhere in your message were there any questions on curriculum and/ or track records. I suggest you look at your original mail. |
I have zero messages in my mailbox. And I don't know what the cock up is. But I'm suspicious when anybody assumes the mistake is mine.
Complaints about Dave's-- there's a long line for that, huh?
As I said in my PM, I started mid-year and have half a contract to complete and expressed interest to be a fail-safe this coming New Year.
Really, I had only two questions: Do your students take the GaoKao; and, has your school graduated a senior class?
If a class has graduated, I am surprised you have no information about how many of those graduates succeeded in receiving admission, but okay.
Your response indicates an offense is taken with my speculation about incentives to recruit for your school. I apologize. It was not my intent. The position I have now was through a friend who came in the fall. He was a little miffed he wasn't given something. It's a wide range of motivations invovled in recruiting. There's nothing inherently negative about it.
About two-cents worth. It's not your thread. This is a community. |
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parnett
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 179 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:59 am Post subject: |
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I see nothing wrong with putting your message here to solve the problem. Did you send me two mails because I fail to see any of your questions here?
I am writing in response to your post to ask a couple of questions and provide a few details about myself.
Is this the new international school?
http://www.teachenglishinchina.com/index.aspx?id=1206
I currently teach business English majors (five different subjects) at the East China Institute of Technology in Fuzhou City, Jiangxi Province.
http://www.ecit.edu.cn/english/about.htm
I am an American male, 47 years of age, with a BA in English (concentration in technical writing) and hold a TEFL certificate. I have designed coursework for both the IELTS and TOEFL, as well as integrated Bloom's taxonomy and the Common European Framework with coursework and curricular measures.
But I accepted a yearly contract mid-year, this past March. Its renewal is due after the coming Chinese New Year. I've never broken a contract and write to express an interest on the off-chance that, six months from now, a position might come available.
Thanks in advance for your consideration,
Bura Virgil Lawson
After I received your mail, I responded immediately stating the school would not hire anyone without the proper release papers. I'm sorry you didn't receive it.
This is a community forum as you mentioned. I apologize for my surliness. As for your questions, we have not graduated a senior class as of yet. Next year will be our first. They don't take the GaoKao. Like most Chinese schools, we are suffering from a lack of qualified teachers in the high school. There's a lot of pressure put on us by the administration and parents to help the students improve their TOEFL scores. Most teachers want no part of this situation. |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 12:59 pm Post subject: |
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| parnett wrote: |
| I see nothing wrong with putting your message here to solve the problem. |
Thank you for answering issues I brought to the thread, but I had not claimed to have raised those same issues in a private message. Your having received the private message was never at issue; My gaining a response was. Posting only your response would be a logical solution, or simply responding a second time. Not until you directed to "check again" (implying an oversight, or worse) did I perceive a hitch. And it doesn't escape even a cursory scrutiny what issues I did raise far upthread were issues you have only now addressed.
That said, I can proceed in good faith.
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| ...we have not graduated a senior class as of yet. Next year will be our first. They don't take the GaoKao. Like most Chinese schools, we are suffering from a lack of qualified teachers in the high school. There's a lot of pressure put on us by the administration and parents to help the students improve their TOEFL scores. Most teachers want no part of this situation. |
A lot of pressure? My god! I'll say. Talk about baskets and eggs. Does anyone else know how this works? Not taking the Gaokao? Or why the objectives must be exclusive? What you are attempting is practically revolutionary. The TOEFL is a proficiency test. Other than test-taking strategies, the only preparation is practical exercise or, I suppose, contracting New Oriental's analysis. The SAT is an achievement test and related to domains of knowledge. The term aptitude in its design refers to the context of American schools.
I'm dying for some opinions. Anybody have some curriculum plans to sell? Because that's what's at play. |
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parnett
Joined: 29 Jun 2012 Posts: 179 Location: China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:20 pm Post subject: |
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A major problem is satisfying the parents who have absolutely no idea about TOEFL or SAT preparation. Some students last year left school in March to take special SAT classes. then flew to Singapore for the exam and did miserably. Others have taken special TOEFL classes and improved their scores somewhat. I believe the highest score at our school was 81. Of course, many parents believe that score, along with a plagiarized admissions essay and their money will get their child into Cornell, Stanford etc.
Several students have left our school for the Canadian International School, Maple Leaf. They feel the IELTS exam is easier, Canada is a bit safer and obtaining residency visas for themselves (and probably their families as well) would be less difficult.
To give you an idea as to how clueless the students and their parents are- last March I received a call from a student at midnight wanting to know what it would take for him to get into West Point! |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014 Posts: 967 Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 1:57 pm Post subject: |
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| parnett wrote: |
| I received a call from a student at midnight wanting to know what it would take for him to get into West Point! |
A letter from a senator or congressional representative. And citizenship. Yeah. That's an illustration alright.
Have you seen this thread?
construct validity of the paper-and-pencil version of the TOEFL®
Which I believe can be administered without oversight.
TOEFL Tip #82: Even Native Speakers Don't Score 120
For an American student who had previously scored in the 95th percentile for the SATs to come into the TOEFL and only get a 105 on the iBT should send a message to all those internationals who are aiming to get a similar score or higher. If a straight-A native speaker only scored a 105 without coaching, you should be prepared to need some tutoring yourself if you’re trying to get a 100 of higher.
You mentioned teachers weren't happy at Maple. Are you comfortable citing reason(s)?
Attitudes about plagiarism are counter-productive, but there is some truth to money being a part of the equation. Full tuition is an attractor.
So, it's all about the parents. After next year, if some portion succeed, the perception will be something more attainable than a lottery. |
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