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adaruby
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The arguments about shortages of teachers due to excessive qualification demand is long since done and done away with. That song was sung in Japan, Korea and Taiwan and all 3 have an excess of "teachers".
Welcome to AEC 2015.
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From what little I know of Japan, Korea and Taiwan they all recognise EFL certificates.
I'm all for tidying up the industry and making sure people have the relevant qualifications, but throwing the baby out because the bathwater was particularly nasty will do nobody any favours in Thailand. |
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suphanburi
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:08 am Post subject: |
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| adaruby wrote: |
| suphanburi wrote: |
The arguments about shortages of teachers due to excessive qualification demand is long since done and done away with. That song was sung in Japan, Korea and Taiwan and all 3 have an excess of "teachers".
Welcome to AEC 2015.
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From what little I know of Japan, Korea and Taiwan they all recognize EFL certificates. |
Nope.
Korea requires a degree (with apostille) and a police check (with apostille).
Japan requires a degree.
Taiwan requires a degree and a police check. (They used to accept a 2 year college diploma + TEFL but those days are numbered.)
NONE of them require a TEFL cert for the visa in spite of what the dream sellers (read TEFL course providers) tell you.
With the notable exception of EPIK (in Korea) most employers in Asia don't care if you have a TEFL cert as long as you can get a visa. Most employers in East Asia wouldn't recognize a TEFL cert if it bit them in the azz.
| adaruby wrote: |
| I'm all for tidying up the industry and making sure people have the relevant qualifications, but throwing the baby out because the bathwater was particularly nasty will do nobody any flavors in Thailand. |
Back to your 3 options... comply, move along or work at the edges with the attendant risks.
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adaruby
Joined: 21 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| suphanburi wrote: |
| adaruby wrote: |
| suphanburi wrote: |
The arguments about shortages of teachers due to excessive qualification demand is long since done and done away with. That song was sung in Japan, Korea and Taiwan and all 3 have an excess of "teachers".
Welcome to AEC 2015.
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From what little I know of Japan, Korea and Taiwan they all recognize EFL certificates. |
Nope.
Korea requires a degree (with apostille) and a police check (with apostille).
Japan requires a degree.
Taiwan requires a degree and a police check. (They used to accept a 2 year college diploma + TEFL but those days are numbered.)
NONE of them require a TEFL cert for the visa in spite of what the dream sellers (read TEFL course providers) tell you.
With the notable exception of EPIK (in Korea) most employers in Asia don't care if you have a TEFL cert as long as you can get a visa. Most employers in East Asia wouldn't recognize a TEFL cert if it bit them in the azz.
| adaruby wrote: |
| I'm all for tidying up the industry and making sure people have the relevant qualifications, but throwing the baby out because the bathwater was particularly nasty will do nobody any flavors in Thailand. |
Back to your 3 options... comply, move along or work at the edges with the attendant risks.
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A degree should be the minimum for a visa and any employer worth their salt should demand an EFL certificate on top of this.
I have friends of friends working in Bangkok at the moment with neither a degree nor a TEFL certificate, and I'm acutely aware that standards can vary even among teachers who hold PGCEs and CELTAs, so God help the students who have to suffer unqualified farangs at the front of the classroom.
As I said before: make moves to tidy things up in Thailand, but don't shoot yourself in the foot while doing so. |
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SheikMilkShake
Joined: 02 Jul 2014
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:18 am Post subject: |
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So, any good info on TEFL course in Thailand?
I doubt I would be working for 25000 Bahts per month, government assistance in my country would give me more than that, plus staying in own home + driving own vehicle with friends and family nearby, plus all government subsidized healthcare, and study on the side and work part-time or setting up/taking care of a business, would be a bonus, why on earth one should be working for 800-1000 USD rage. I am just weighing the balance of time spent and earnings.
I did/don't have a Thai wife/family nor plans to have one, nor thai husband. LOL
Having a family in Thailand and residing teaching there would be a another good idea while waiting for your wife's visa to approve, or if you think you can get any opportunities there on work or anything. I love Thai food, it is just one of the great places.
Anyway, I saw new visa regulations and usually, the school/ college/university took care of my teacher's license and work permit stamp in my passport , so I would just let them take care of it if I ever decided to work and applied for a job. They would surely guide me and I would leave it up to them.
I only taught in one Isan ( Northeastern) government university ( that was part of my teaching practicum while doing my TESOL Dip) and 2 private schools, plus 1 government school short contract in Thailand on separate occasions. that was before I moved on to government schools in Japan then to Universities in Saudi Arabia, and a college/uni in Oman.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers!
Have a great day! |
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adaruby
Joined: 21 Apr 2014
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 10:59 am Post subject: |
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| SheikMilkShake wrote: |
So, any good info on TEFL course in Thailand?
I doubt I would be working for 25000 Bahts per month, government assistance in my country would give me more than that, plus staying in own home + driving own vehicle with friends and family nearby, plus all government subsidized healthcare, and study on the side and work part-time or setting up/taking care of a business, would be a bonus, why on earth one should be working for 800-1000 USD rage. I am just weighing the balance of time spent and earnings.
I did/don't have a Thai wife/family nor plans to have one, nor thai husband. LOL
Having a family in Thailand and residing teaching there would be a another good idea while waiting for your wife's visa to approve, or if you think you can get any opportunities there on work or anything. I love Thai food, it is just one of the great places.
Anyway, I saw new visa regulations and usually, the school/ college/university took care of my teacher's license and work permit stamp in my passport , so I would just let them take care of it if I ever decided to work and applied for a job. They would surely guide me and I would leave it up to them.
I only taught in one Isan ( Northeastern) government university ( that was part of my teaching practicum while doing my TESOL Dip) and 2 private schools, plus 1 government school short contract in Thailand on separate occasions. that was before I moved on to government schools in Japan then to Universities in Saudi Arabia, and a college/uni in Oman.
Thanks for your help.
Cheers!
Have a great day! |
You don't have to work in Thailand and accept 25k a month. I was there many moons ago and was earning 50k + a month when regular salaries were 40k, but you need to have something to stand out from the crowd of chancers. |
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SheikMilkShake
Joined: 02 Jul 2014
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| Posted: Mon Aug 11, 2014 11:00 pm Post subject: |
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My contact hours were max 3 hours daily ( 12-15 hrs weekly) and more than that, we would all scream and quit. I guess that was comfortable work load for me.
50 K (Thai Bahts) plus provided accommodation, is, in my humble opinion, standard monthly earning if we put effort and time. That would still be like 1500-1600 US$?
Anyway, if one has a reason to stay in Thailand, that would be his choice. |
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EFL Educator
Joined: 17 Jul 2013
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Location: Cape Town
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| Posted: Tue Aug 12, 2014 2:45 am Post subject: |
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If would be great if salaries were on the rise in Thailand for TEFL teachers...but the reality is the trend for salaries on the decrease as Thai schools will not offer English teachers a better deal. This is due to smart business practices and the fact that there are so many EFL teachers willing to work for low wages just so they can enjoy (and prolong) their stay in Thailand. . We can dream about salary raises in the land of smiles...but in the end it is just a dream. Nothing will change here....salaries have been the same for some 30 year or so now The only people making money in the TEFL business here are TEFL training schools.  |
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adaruby
Joined: 21 Apr 2014
Posts: 171
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| Posted: Mon Aug 18, 2014 10:06 am Post subject: |
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| The only people making money in the TEFL business here are TEFL training schools. |
You sound like a really nice bloke EFL Educator, but if you think that the above is true I'm wondering where you're going wrong. |
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