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nomadic
Joined: 14 Feb 2004
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Presume what you like buddy, but you're wrong.
What the heck is unedumacated anyway? |
By 'presume', I wasn't intending to say that MUST be what you intended, but if it wasn't (as turned out to be the case), I wouldn't have needed to post any of that. So it was more of a lead-in to my counter-point, in case that's what you had meant. Since it wasn't, no worries, I agree with you for the most part. ;)
As for 'unedumacated', it's just a poke at my 'uneducated' self... you've never heard the term before? Although I don't think Bush has ever said it, it's along the same lines as his 'misunderestimated' goof, and I've heard it in general conversation now and then.
At any rate, we largely agree, so this is just here as clarification and to enlighten you as to the meaning of a bit of slang.
Cheers,
- nomadic
"Never let school interfere with your education." - Mark Twain |
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shmooj
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Posts: 1758
Location: Seoul, ROK
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:28 pm Post subject: |
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Well I never. 340 hits on Google for unedumacated. Never heard of it before.
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Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:34 pm Post subject: |
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Well I never. 340 hits on Google for unedumacated. Never heard of it before.
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Guess you're not unedumacated enough. First I ever heard of it too. |
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migo
Joined: 04 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 5:48 am Post subject: |
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| unedumecated isn't that common, but edumecated is reasonably common. |
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shmooj
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
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Location: Seoul, ROK
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 10:45 am Post subject: |
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| Well with only 3000 hits on Google, I'd hardly say it was "reasonably common" that is if you rate Google as a reflection of langauge used by society. |
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migo
Joined: 04 Jul 2004
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 6:44 pm Post subject: |
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| I didn't say it was used frequently. Also, while I consider google to be a viable research tool, I wouldn't consider the results it turns up to be conclusive in any way. Especially in this case, as there is no official spelling for it so you'd have to look for both edumecated, edumacated, edumucated etc. |
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The Great Wall of Whiner
Joined: 29 Jan 2003
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Location: Blabbing
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:39 pm Post subject: |
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| I would hazard a guess that teaching swimming is about as relevant to teaching English as teaching bricklaying is. |
And I would hazard a guess that wasting 4 years in university studying biology only to become an ESL teacher holds the same weight.
Example:
Candidate One:
"Hi! My name is Fred. I am 22 years old. I am now living in Seattle, WA. I have a degree in microbiology. I just finished school now. I possess extensive research experience studying fungii, bateria, etc. I can easily work alone, as most of my four years studying and researching was done as one-man projects. I want a job teaching English in Japan because the culture is interesting. Although I have no teaching experience, I am a fast learner."
Candidate Two:
"Greetings! Please allow me to introduce myself. My name is Fred, a 29 year-old ESL teacher currently in Japan. I have been an English teacher in Asia for over 7 years (South Korea, China, and Taiwan). I also hold TESOL certification, specializing with teaching children. Here are my references from all my former employees, some parents of past students, and even students themselves! I want to teach in Japan because Japan is a modern nation with a high standard of living."
Who would you pick?
I would pick #2 because he has REAL relevant experience, a relevent certificate, probably knows how to manage a classroom, teach from text books, etc. etc.
He is also far more honest as to why he wants to work in Japan.
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| Swimming is not an academic subject, regardless of how difficult it may be. And I suspect the classroom dynamics are somewhat different, given that the physical aspect of a swimming pool is somewhat different from that of a regular classroom. |
Biology has nothing do to with teaching English.
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| A lot of the class management techniques appropriate to swimming classes probably aren't relevant to EFL. And vice versa. I wouldn't suggest for a moment that I would be an effective swimming teacher. |
Biology has nothing to do with managing a classroom.
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| If I want to practice law I go to law school, and become a mechanic I learn a trade. If you want to teach English in most Ssian countries you need a bachelors degree, regardless of whether you think its necessary. |
What does biology have to do with teaching English to kids?
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| I also forgot to mention that many language teachers here are working with Masters and PhDs, as well. |
Yeah. "Hello, my name is Fred. I have my Masters degree in microbiology. I am qualified to teach English."
Um, no Fred. Don't lie to people.
You can't hack it as a microbiologist back home so you come to Japan for easy money, easy living, rock-star status, and Japanese girls. |
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Gordon
Joined: 28 Jan 2003
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Location: Japan
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| Posted: Sun Jul 11, 2004 11:47 pm Post subject: |
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Great Wall,
Any job that asks for a Masters degree as a requirement says it must be in TESOL, Education, Applied Linguistics or TESOL-related. A Masters in Microbiology will not do anything for you. There will always be exceptions, like Korea, but a masters is not a requirement there. It just gives you a slightly higher salary. |
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shmooj
Joined: 11 Sep 2003
Posts: 1758
Location: Seoul, ROK
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| Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 2:12 am Post subject: |
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Whiner... while at face value what you say seems to be valid, I know myself that it usually isn't.
The least valuable thing I got from my university days was the actual qualification. I did Architecture which, you could argue was as useful as microb | | |
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