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RustyShackleford
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 Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 6:48 am Post subject: Registration Difficulties re: Viet Background Check |
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Sorry for another boring administration-related post,
So I'm trying to get my documentation in order and, after dragging both the apartment manager and the guy who I'm subletting the place from by the teeth, finally I realize that that have not registered my information with the police for the past seven months I've lived here. I have the contract proving that I have been here but they're slower than snails on molasses in getting back with me.
Question is: Can I still get my Vietnamese police background check and who do I yell at to get the gears moving? |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 7:37 am Post subject: |
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How long has it been since you submitted the information to the police?
The last time I did that it took a week.
The only time it took longer to get a document (a 3 month visa extension) from the police was my landlord's fault. They were expected to pay some fee or donation for allowing me to live at their place but hadn't done so. I wasn't inclined to pay over 1 million either so, in the end, I had to move back to the ward I had moved from to get my paper work done. In that ward all that was required had already been donated when I moved to that ward initially- a case of red Saigon Do, only 140,000. I had to pay a bit extra for my visa though because I was late getting the necessary paper from the police.
I can only suggest that someone who speaks Vietnamese accompanies you to their office and asks if there are any problems. But only if it has been after a week at least.
If they can't or won't give you the clearance then you'll have to get one from your own country or wait another 6 months.
My best guess anyway. Maybe someone else has better advice? |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 8:37 am Post subject: |
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| VietCanada wrote: |
| In that ward all that was required had already been donated when I moved to that ward initially- a case of red Saigon Do, only 140,000. |
As far as "donations" go, that's the best one I've heard of. Btw "do" is "red" in Vietnamese. So saying red Saigon Do is a little redundant.  |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Wed Aug 06, 2014 9:01 am Post subject: |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| VietCanada wrote: |
| In that ward all that was required had already been donated when I moved to that ward initially- a case of red Saigon Do, only 140,000. |
As far as "donations" go, that's the best one I've heard of. Btw "do" is "red" in Vietnamese. So saying red Saigon Do is a little redundant. |
I pronounced it doe for a couple years until I figured out it was daw. Baby steps, baby steps.
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RustyShackleford
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 12:25 am Post subject: |
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| VietCanada wrote: |
How long has it been since you submitted the information to the police?
The last time I did that it took a week.
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I used to live in D8 and the landlord (as far as I know) submitted my passport to the police and everything was good. Now I'm in D7, but neither the owner of apartment nor the apartment manager actually submitted my Residence Card or passport to the authorities.
The manager was almost willing to commit address fraud to help me and the apartment owner get a police registration for a different place. Not willing to go that far, the manager has suggested I take my information to the police directly and get the apt. owner grilled a little.
As for me, this is for a Spanish student visa that I need to get done by the middle of September, so waiting another 6 months is not an option.
Go back to D8 and get things that way? When you say "Move" do you literally mean "pack up my things and move" sort of move? A bit excessive no? Can't I just "convince" somebody to push the ball along? |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 07, 2014 2:18 pm Post subject: |
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| RustyShackleford wrote: |
| VietCanada wrote: |
How long has it been since you submitted the information to the police?
The last time I did that it took a week.
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I used to live in D8 and the landlord (as far as I know) submitted my passport to the police and everything was good. Now I'm in D7, but neither the owner of apartment nor the apartment manager actually submitted my Residence Card or passport to the authorities.
The manager was almost willing to commit address fraud to help me and the apartment owner get a police registration for a different place. Not willing to go that far, the manager has suggested I take my information to the police directly and get the apt. owner grilled a little.
As for me, this is for a Spanish student visa that I need to get done by the middle of September, so waiting another 6 months is not an option.
Go back to D8 and get things that way? When you say "Move" do you literally mean "pack up my things and move" sort of move? A bit excessive no? Can't I just "convince" somebody to push the ball along? |
I literally packed up and moved but that is not for everybody. We informed the police in our old ward before hand and they were all for it. At least one friend cop was. LOL
I'm curious about the manager's suggestion. I doubt the police would be happy that the manager had not complied with regulations. It's also probable (especially in D.7) that they wouldn't like it that a foreigner got jerked around because of it. Try that route IMHO.
What else do you have? Take an intelligent, well rounded Viet with you to explain your situation. Emphasize how important it is to get the doc and even that you've been here before and never, ever expected to have this problem. Especially in D.7. Or something of your own creation.
Give it a shot. This manager is embarrassing VN in multiple ways with multiple foreign countries. I don't think they'd like that. I think they'd get it faster than you think possible.
Take every single doc pertaining to the Spain thing with you. This is a legit situation your in. You've done a lot of work so far. Show them. Be respectful and humble. Bring some money but I doubt you'll need it in this case. |
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TRH
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Just think if all the police man-hours that are consumed in the system of population control were put into traffic enforcement.
You have a stated address and an identifying number; your passport as a foreigner or your ID card as a Vietnamese. This country is one of the world leaders in iPhone game design and cyber-theft, so the talent is here. Why can't the Department of Justice do a simple computer search? As I said it all comes down to control of the population and the ability to extract money for red stamps. |
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Okie from Muskogee
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| TRH wrote: |
Just think if all the police man-hours that are consumed in the system of population control were put into traffic enforcement.
You have a stated address and an identifying number; your passport as a foreigner or your ID card as a Vietnamese. This country is one of the world leaders in iPhone game design and cyber-theft, so the talent is here. Why can't the Department of Justice do a simple computer search? As I said it all comes down to control of the population and the ability to extract money for red stamps. |
...and creates unnecessary jobs. |
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RustyShackleford
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| Posted: Fri Aug 08, 2014 6:34 am Post subject: |
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Thank you for this (as opposed to yet more passive-aggressive ranting about the police system in VN - I'm not wild about it either but Dave's is highly unlikely to make it go away and I gotta deal with it now). Part of the problem is that all my "well-rounded Viet friends" (and I do have several, considering the brief time I've been here) have decided to go away.
I have also been tempted to simply lie about my residence to the Spanish embassy and claim I've been traveling but I am a believer in honesty being the best policy. |
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RustyShackleford
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 6:23 am Post subject: |
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So VC (man, what an acronym! ),
I did wind up doing much as what you said. I went to the People's Committee again with a fluent English-speaking Viet co-worker and demanded (politely) to see someone who can help us with this and refuse to go. They eventually bowed down and allowed us to speak with a lawyer at the Committee.
I call the apartment room owner (the lawyer informed that the apartment manager is not culpable in this case, which is elating because him and I have had a cordial relationship to this point and he has been supportive). The owner doesn't pick up the phone.
My co-worker then calls him.
The poor idiot picks up and finds himself speaking to the lawyer, who proceeds to inform him that he has been renting illegally and that HE is the one who is violating VN law to the tune of 4million VND.
I am now to go to the MoJ and speak my case directly with them and get this thing finally sorted out.
As you said, the lawyer was unhappy with him, helpful and polite with me and I didn't have to even open my wallet. |
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Okie from Muskogee
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| Posted: Sat Aug 09, 2014 12:02 pm Post subject: |
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As you said, the lawyer was unhappy with him, helpful and polite with me and I didn't have to even open my wallet. |
It's always very helpful to have a lawyer friend. Or at least have business card so you can ask questions as needed. Then take 'em out to a nice restaurant and night out. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Sun Aug 10, 2014 3:30 pm Post subject: |
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| RustyShackleford wrote: |
So VC (man, what an acronym! ),
I did wind up doing much as what you said. I went to the People's Committee again with a fluent English-speaking Viet co-worker and demanded (politely) to see someone who can help us with this and refuse to go. They eventually bowed down and allowed us to speak with a lawyer at the Committee.
I call the apartment room owner (the lawyer informed that the apartment manager is not culpable in this case, which is elating because him and I have had a cordial relationship to this point and he has been supportive). The owner doesn't pick up the phone.
My co-worker then calls him.
The poor idiot picks up and finds himself speaking to the lawyer, who proceeds to inform him that he has been renting illegally and that HE is the one who is violating VN law to the tune of 4million VND.
I am now to go to the MoJ and speak my case directly with them and get this thing finally sorted out.
As you said, the lawyer was unhappy with him, helpful and polite with me and I didn't have to even open my wallet. |
I am really happy for you. I am delighted that common sense won the day. This thread should be a sticky just for that.
I love the bit about the fine. The second moral of the story is- don't fk with lawyers.
It just didn't seem right here that you could live somewhere without the police knowing about it in an official way. I've moved a couple times and there is always some kind of registration, ok-ing thing with the police that my VN wife handles. I just hear snippets about it. I'm pretty sure it's the same in Europe.
VC? My god I never thought of that when I chose such an obvious nickname. And- daw means red. Teachers never stop learning.
Hmmm. VietcanaDa? Maybe? Something not quite right with that either. |
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RustyShackleford
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| Posted: Wed Aug 20, 2014 12:35 am Post subject: |
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Okay, so here is the exciting penultimate chapter to this story:
The lawyer supposedly sent me an e-mail but it never arrived in my inbox and, frankly, I didn't feel like putting too much heat in this kitchen.
I sent some choice words to the apartment owner and promptly cancelled my lease and he was apologetic enough to give me back half my deposit despite the contract specifying that I would forfeit all of it. Good enough, I guess.
Ultimately, I went to the MoJ with a co-worker who then explained to me that I needed to book a nearby hotel, preferably near a police station, and get registered there.
I did just that and, after haggling with the hotel owner to be allowed to take the red residence book out for a couple hours, went to the MoJ with my "updated" address and I now have a slip to pick up my criminal registration come the 8th next month! |
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