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jimpellow
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| I consider the above to be oversimplified advice with the new regulations. Hong Kong will not issue a z-visa for a jurisdiction which does not authorize it. Beijing has very strict regulations so I am doubting it will be able to be done in a third country. The OP will also need a CBC though thankfully Beijing has lightened up on how one can obtain that). I think the reality is for Beijing he will need to return home and/or pay out the ying yang for agents to do it all. Has anybody been granted a z-visa in Hong Kong for Beijing, Wuhan, Tianjin, Qingdao from a third country recently? They are at the top of the toughie list. Just curious rather than trying to prove my point. |
It's based on your country of residence. Just show you reside in that particular place, and you should have no problem. |
Could you use an example of this please? Say a teacher is Canadian and he wishes to take a position in Beijing. He is currently living in Vietnam. How should he go about it? |
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coldcucumber
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| Posted: Fri Aug 29, 2014 3:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Check the z visa sticky mate. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 1:36 am Post subject: |
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| Check the z visa sticky mate. |
Checked. Still not convinced. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 12:06 pm Post subject: |
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| Check the z visa sticky mate. |
Checked. Still not convinced. |
What does resident mean to the Chinese government?
Get the paper with the place you want to apply (school needs to work this out with the local foreign xx department). Once you have that you are likely to get the visa, but remember, any consulate can refuse a visa for their own reasons. |
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jimpellow
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| Posted: Sat Aug 30, 2014 4:16 pm Post subject: |
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| wangdaning wrote: |
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| coldcucumber wrote: |
| Check the z visa sticky mate. |
Checked. Still not convinced. |
What does resident mean to the Chinese government?
Get the paper with the place you want to apply (school needs to work this out with the local foreign xx department). Once you have that you are likely to get the visa, but remember, any consulate can refuse a visa for their own reasons. |
Why human beings would give another human being advice that will lead to a very likely expensive and disastrous result is beyond me. All the official and reported information out there points to the fact that Beijing's "local foreign xx department" will not do this. If the school can succeed in doing so before he invests time and money in leaving for HK good for him. Then he will only need to worry about the CBC, etc. But to say that he is likely to get it is very untrue and irresponsible. |
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wangdaning
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| Posted: Sun Aug 31, 2014 2:54 am Post subject: |
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| jimpellow wrote: |
| wangdaning wrote: |
| jimpellow wrote: |
| coldcucumber wrote: |
| Check the z visa sticky mate. |
Checked. Still not convinced. |
What does resident mean to the Chinese government?
Get the paper with the place you want to apply (school needs to work this out with the local foreign xx department). Once you have that you are likely to get the visa, but remember, any consulate can refuse a visa for their own reasons. |
Why human beings would give another human being advice that will lead to a very likely expensive and disastrous result is beyond me. All the official and reported information out there points to the fact that Beijing's "local foreign xx department" will not do this. If the school can succeed in doing so before he invests time and money in leaving for HK good for him. Then he will only need to worry about the CBC, etc. But to say that he is likely to get it is very untrue and irresponsible. |
Read carefully, I said once he got the papers from the school. That would mean he had gotten past all the other obstacles and been issued the invitation letter to be processed in another country.
I in no place gave bad advice and I would appreciate an apology for what you have written. |
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Azile
Joined: 31 Oct 2013
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Location: Huadu, Guangzhou, Guangdong, China
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The typical legal process:
1) Apply for a teaching job at a legit school that is allowed to hire foreigners.
2) Send the required docs to the school: copy of your passport, signed contract and copy of diploma, CV, health check and some areas a CBC
3) School applies for your "work permit" and obtains it
4) School applies for your FEC and obtains it
5) School prepares a letter of invitation both short version and long version
6) School sends all the copies to you as well as a copy of a document that is their business licence
7) Depending on the school and the area the school is located (most of China) everything will have been written up based on the country your passport is from.
8) You then take all of this including the standard application for a Z visa to the chinese embassy in your home country
9) A few days later, pick up your passport which now has a Z visa in it
10) Come to China within the period indicated, usually a 3 month window
11) Within 30 days of entering China on the Z Visa, you must do te following last steps:
12) Get a health check done at one of the official locations that can do Foriener health checks
13) Go to the local PSB and get a "temporary resident permit"
14) Get official pictures taken that include a barcode picture on one of them and a piece of paper that is a receipt of this - there is often a place that can do this located in or near the Entry/Exit Government location that you will be visiting for the last part
15) Take all of this to the Entry/Exit location, hand in everything, hope everything has zero mistakes and nothing is missing
16) A week or two later, pick up your passport with a new permit in it. Your passport will now have a cancelled Z visa (how you entered China) as well as your new "Resident Permit" and the type of Resident Permit you will have will state in Chinese that purpose of residence is to "work". The permit typically will be valid for as long as your contract with the school is, typicallly a year.
17) Go back to the local PSB and show them your official Residence Permit and they will issue yet another "Temporary Residence Permit" paper that is updated to have the number and dates based on your new Residence Permit.
18) Congratulations, you now are done the legal process, can work legally for only the school that applied for your current FEC and you can enter and exit China as many times as you wish during that period covered by your Residence Permit.
Everything is subject to changes depending on where the school is located in China. This is how we do it in Guangdong currently. And everytime we have enquired about someone applying for the Z visa anywhere but their home country, the answer has been no. Over a year ago, people could apply at any Chinese embassy, but since the rule changed, all teachers we hired had to get that Z visa in their home country. I have been hearing now of exceptions to this and some are able to once again apply in Hong Kong for the Z visa, but have not had any success with this so far. |
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Piper2
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The typical legal process:
1) Apply for a teaching job at a legit school that is allowed to hire foreigners.
2) Send the required docs to the school: copy of your passport, signed contract and copy of diploma, CV, health check and some areas a CBC
3) School applies for your "work permit" and obtains it
4) School applies for your FEC and obtains it
5) School prepares a letter of invitation both short version and long version
6) School sends all the copies to you as well as a copy of a document that is their business licence
7) Depending on the school and the area the school is located (most of China) everything will have been written up based on the country your passport is from.
8 ) You then take all of this including the standard application for a Z visa to the chinese embassy in your home country
9) A few days later, pick up your passport which now has a Z visa in it
10) Come to China within the period indicated, usually a 3 month window
11) Within 30 days of entering China on the Z Visa, you must do te following last steps:
12) Get a health check done at one of the official locations that can do Foriener health checks
13) Go to the local PSB and get a "temporary resident permit"
14) Get official pictures taken that include a barcode picture on one of them and a piece of paper that is a receipt of this - there is often a place that can do this located in or near the Entry/Exit Government location that you will be visiting for the last part
15) Take all of this to the Entry/Exit location, hand in everything, hope everything has zero mistakes and nothing is missing
16) A week or two later, pick up your passport with a new permit in it. Your passport will now have a cancelled Z visa (how you entered China) as well as your new "Resident Permit" and the type of Resident Permit you will have will state in Chinese that purpose of residence is to "work". The permit typically will be valid for as long as your contract with the school is, typicallly a year.
17) Go back to the local PSB and show them your official Residence Permit and they will issue yet another "Temporary Residence Permit" paper that is updated to have the number and dates based on your new Residence Permit.
18 ) Congratulations, you now are done the legal process, can work legally for only the school that applied for your current FEC and you can enter and exit China as many times as you wish during that period covered by your Residence Permit.
Everything is subject to changes depending on where the school is located in China. This is how we do it in Guangdong currently. And everytime we have enquired about someone applying for the Z visa anywhere but their home country, the answer has been no. Over a year ago, people could apply at any Chinese embassy, but since the rule changed, all teachers we hired had to get that Z visa in their home country. I have been hearing now of exceptions to this and some are able to once again apply in Hong Kong for the Z visa, but have not had any success with this so far. |
4, the FEC is applied for after entering China (after 13, before 15)
7, the default is indeed home country (country that issued the passport), but the z-visa issuer in a particular country (see 8 below) will typically allow a foreigner who has legal residency status in that country to apply. As far as I know, Shanghai does not interfere with this.
8 makes it sound like it should be an embassy. Often it is a consulate or a visa centre.
13 and 17, that form is called a Registration Form of Temporary Residence, though no-one on here calls it that.
14, what is that about a barcode? As far as I know, you can use any photos that are the right size with the right colour background, with you in the right pose, etc.
16, pretty sure they cancel your z when you enter China, you seem to imply otherwise |
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The_Kong
Joined: 15 Apr 2014
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| Piper2 wrote: |
| Azile wrote: |
The typical legal process:
1) Apply for a teaching job at a legit school that is allowed to hire foreigners.
2) Send the required docs to the school: copy of your passport, signed contract and copy of diploma, CV, health check and some areas a CBC
3) School applies for your "work permit" and obtains it
4) School applies for your FEC and obtains it
5) School prepares a letter of invitation both short version and long version
6) School sends all the copies to you as well as a copy of a document that is their business licence
7) Depending on the school and the area the school is located (most of China) everything will have been written up based on the country your passport is from.
8 ) You then take all of this including the standard application for a Z visa to the chinese embassy in your home country
9) A few days later, pick up your passport which now has a Z visa in it
10) Come to China within the period indicated, usually a 3 month window
11) Within 30 days of entering China on the Z Visa, you must do te following last steps:
12) Get a health check done at one of the official locations that can do Foriener health checks
13) Go to the local PSB and get a "temporary resident permit"
14) Get official pictures taken that include a barcode picture on one of them and a piece of paper that is a receipt of this - there is often a place that can do this located in or near the Entry/Exit Government location that you will be visiting for the last part
15) Take all of this to the Entry/Exit location, hand in everything, hope everything has zero mistakes and nothing is missing
16) A week or two later, pick up your passport with a new permit in it. Your passport will now have a cancelled Z visa (how you entered China) as well as your new "Resident Permit" and the type of Resident Permit you will have will state in Chinese that purpose of residence is to "work". The permit typically will be valid for as long as your contract with the school is, typicallly a year.
17) Go back to the local PSB and show them your official Residence Permit and they will issue yet another "Temporary Residence Permit" paper that is updated to have the number and dates based on your new Residence Permit.
18 ) Congratulations, you now are done the legal process, can work legally for only the school that applied for your current FEC and you can enter and exit China as many times as you wish during that period covered by your Residence Permit.
Everything is subject to changes depending on where the school is located in China. This is how we do it in Guangdong currently. And everytime we have enquired about someone applying for the Z visa anywhere but their home country, the answer has been no. Over a year ago, people could apply at any Chinese embassy, but since the rule changed, all teachers we hired had to get that Z visa in their home country. I have been hearing now of exceptions to this and some are able to once again apply in Hong Kong for the Z visa, but have not had any success with this so far. |
4, the FEC is applied for after entering China (after 13, before 15)
7, the default is indeed home country (country that issued the passport), but the z-visa issuer in a particular country (see 8 below) will typically allow a foreigner who has legal residency status in that country to apply. As far as I know, Shanghai does not interfere with this.
8 makes it sound like it should be an embassy. Often it is a consulate or a visa centre.
13 and 17, that form is called a Registration Form of Temporary Residence, though no-one on here calls it that.
14, what is that about a barcode? As far as I know, you can use any photos that are the right size with the right colour background, with you in the right pose, etc.
16, pretty sure they cancel your z when you enter China, you seem to imply otherwise |
Sorry Piper but you are confusing the FEC with the booklet. The foreign expert certificate is applied for before hand, the booklet is issued after arrival.
You are absolutely correct about number 7, 8, 13, 17, 14 (shenme barcode?) and 16. |
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Piper2
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4, the FEC is applied for after entering China (after 13, before 15)
7, the default is indeed home country (country that issued the passport), but the z-visa issuer in a particular country (see 8 below) will typically allow a foreigner who has legal residency status in that country to apply. As far as I know, Shanghai does not interfere with this.
8 makes it sound like it should be an embassy. Often it is a consulate or a visa centre.
13 and 17, that form is called a Registration Form of Temporary Residence, though no-one on here calls it that.
14, what is that about a barcode? As far as I know, you can use any photos that are the right size with the right colour background, with you in the right pose, etc.
16, pretty sure they cancel your z when you enter China, you seem to imply otherwise |
Sorry Piper but you are confusing the FEC with the booklet. The foreign expert certificate is applied for before hand, the booklet is issued after arrival.
You are absolutely correct about number 7, 8, 13, 17, 14 (shenme barcode?) and 16. |
So the FEC is applied for after the Working Permit is issued, and before the Invitation Letter is applied for? And applying for the FEC is separate from applying for the FEC-booklet? Never heard that before, though not surprising, FTs might never find out and do not need to know when the FEC is applied for. I always thought the FEC is the FEC-booklet (booklet which is commonly known as the FEC) and is applied for and obtained once the FT is in China.
In that case the poster is missing applying for (or completing the application for), and obtaining, the FEC-booklet. |
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