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		| thomas_pynchon 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 9:41 pm    Post subject: language learning issues for SA students |   |  
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				| What specific language learning issues do you find are the most common with SA students (for all 4 skills)? Thanks |  | 
	
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		| The Fifth Column 
 
  
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 Location: His habitude with lexical items protrudes not unlike a damaged pollex!!!
 
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				|  Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:42 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| Showing up to class on time... |  | 
	
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		| nomad soul 
 
  
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				|  Posted: Tue Sep 16, 2014 11:42 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| There's been plenty of formal research on this very subject---easy to find on the Internet via a search. 
 By the way, what's the purpose of this and your other two like-minded questions?  Are you preparing for a test, an interview...?
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		| sicklyman 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Wed Sep 17, 2014 1:52 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| hey... maybe it's Yasuke's ghost come back to haunt us  |  | 
	
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		| plumpy nut 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 7:45 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| 4 language skills?  Please!  Take away the behavioral and cultural issues that allow students to force universities and academies to only keep complacent teachers that do nothing more than friendly talk and provide pleasant entertainment and then we can get to the point where the 4 language skills are relevant. |  | 
	
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		| SheikMilkShake 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 12:42 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| writing skill= whatapp, Keek, FB, twitter writing comments speaking = communicating with expats at McDonalds, at home with  house workers, drivers, taxi drivers, salesman in the market and malls
 listening = youtube movies and songs
 reading = read messages/comments on SNSs and flirt msgs
 
 Where else would Saudis/non English speakers  need to use English these days??
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		| coder 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:41 pm    Post subject: Re: language learning issues for SA students |   |  
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		| jaffa 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Thu Sep 18, 2014 4:56 pm    Post subject: |   |  
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				| A colleague teaches job skills courses and one was called Stress in the Workplace. A conversation with a student/employee went something like this:- 
 Teacher: Do you have any examples of stress at work, Mohammed?
 
 Student: Yes, teacher. I office go and boss my say you do job. I no do job teacher. I have telephone. I have facebook. I have youtube. This stress, teacher!
 
 Apparently he'd just come back from an intensive 3 month English language course in New Zealand
   
 That's what you're up against.
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		| Hatcher 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 2:33 am    Post subject: |   |  
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				| By far and away the greatest challenge is motivation.  90% constantly asked to be allowed to leave early and asked me to lie on attendance. 
 Very few wanted to improve their skills. Most teachers were-are there for the money. Happy on payday and the countdown begins to the next one.
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		| coder 
 
 
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		| plumpy nut 
 
 
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				|  Posted: Fri Sep 19, 2014 6:14 am    Post subject: |   |  
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	  | By far and away the greatest challenge is motivation.  90% constantly asked to be allowed to leave early and asked me to lie on attendance. 
 Very few wanted to improve their skills. Most teachers were-are there for the money. Happy on payday and the countdown begins to the next one.
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 English classes provide at most a certificate (usually not earned by Western standards), or a paid holiday from work, or money in addition to the welfare provided by the King.
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