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johnslat
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And "poverty" is SO relative:
"1 Plead poverty
You would be surprised by what some schools consider poor. At Dulwich College, parents qualify for financial assistance if their combined income is below £60,000, while at Eton it's £80,000. And with the Charity Commission insisting that independent schools do more to justify their charitable status, you have got a good chance of getting a big bursary, as schools vie to show their readiness to receive able pupils, regardless of whether their parents can pay. But be prepared to be means-tested, which will mean more than just hiding your Mercedes around the corner."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/education/6307973/Top-10-tips-for-securing-a-scholarship.html
Regards,
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MuscatGary
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:18 am Post subject: Re: Has anybody else worked as a peripatetic ME teacher? |
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| The Fifth Column wrote: |
| Congrats on the gig, I've got a mate doing an enviable gig of 30-on 30-off in EG... |
I'd love to do rotation but most of those jobs are for the younger guys. |
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MuscatGary
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 8:23 am Post subject: Re: Has anybody else worked as a peripatetic ME teacher? |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| Are you teaching or testing? ...or both? Interesting position... it must be short, very targeted courses. I've never heard of a similar posting in my years in the Gulf. (probably a type of job that isn't advertised... and is pretty uncommon anyway)VS |
Both, ICAO have a rule that the teacher who delivers the course cannot test the students, bit like the BC IELTS rule. Courses are typically six weeks teaching and one week testing, the short hops are normally to do the pre-testing for placement purposes. I think that with the expansion in the ME aviation industry there will eventually be more of these jobs but at the moment it's hard to get in and even harder to get the certification. This will have to change as the regulations are being stepped up daily. |
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The Fifth Column
Joined: 11 Jun 2014
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Location: His habitude with lexical items protrudes not unlike a damaged pollex!!!
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 12:13 pm Post subject: Re: Has anybody else worked as a peripatetic ME teacher? |
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| I think that with the expansion in the ME aviation industry there will eventually be more of these jobs but at the moment it's hard to get in and even harder to get the certification. |
Well, as long as yer certifiable...
...an' to answer yer thread title/question. No.
However, I've worked with quite a few "para-pathetic" teachers...does that constitute a "pass"? |
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veiledsentiments
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| Posted: Mon Sep 08, 2014 2:07 pm Post subject: Re: Has anybody else worked as a peripatetic ME teacher? |
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| ... the short hops are normally to do the pre-testing for placement purposes. |
That makes sense... if you were doing that regularly full-time, we'd hear about you slashing your wrists in some airport lounge. 
VS |
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MuscatGary
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 9:25 am Post subject: Re: Has anybody else worked as a peripatetic ME teacher? |
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| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| MuscatGary wrote: |
| ... the short hops are normally to do the pre-testing for placement purposes. |
That makes sense... if you were doing that regularly full-time, we'd hear about you slashing your wrists in some airport lounge. VS |
Ha! Funnily enough I love flying and I even like airports, especially the lounges with free food and booze! |
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The Fifth Column
Joined: 11 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Tue Sep 09, 2014 10:35 am Post subject: Re: Has anybody else worked as a peripatetic ME teacher? |
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| veiledsentiments wrote: |
| MuscatGary wrote: |
| ... the short hops are normally to do the pre-testing for placement purposes. |
That makes sense... if you were doing that regularly full-time, we'd hear about you slashing your wrists in some airport lounge. VS |
Ha! Funnily enough I love flying and I even like airports, especially the lounges with free food and booze! |
Obviously, you haven't "enjoyed" the American experience...or you would be quickly disabused of yer feelings of avian euphoria... |
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MuscatGary
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| End of the first month at the new job and paid in full and on time, so unlike the Oman MOHE experience. Just been told that I've got a NINE day Eid break too! Happy days! |
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TT-Kira
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| Posted: Thu Oct 02, 2014 8:48 pm Post subject: Re: Has anybody else worked as a peripatetic ME teacher? |
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
Both, ICAO have a rule that the teacher who delivers the course cannot test the students, bit like the BC IELTS rule. Courses are typically six weeks teaching and one week testing, the short hops are normally to do the pre-testing for placement purposes. I think that with the expansion in the ME aviation industry there will eventually be more of these jobs but at the moment it's hard to get in and even harder to get the certification. This will have to change as the regulations are being stepped up daily. |
ICAO certified you say? Since when did ICAO certify ESP instructors? Never!
Do you have an aviation background or did you pay to go through a ropey course to become an 'aviation english' instructor? 
ICAO don't have 'rules' they have guidelines which is why many states are testing & instructing students by the same instructor but there's often an interlocutor involved.
I also went to public school in the UK but we learnt to tell the truth rather than blowing our own trumpets!  |
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MuscatGary
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| You're out of date. All ATC's and pilots now have to reach ICAO level four to become licensed as operational. Only ICAO approved course are accepted for this and only teachers and examiners who have been trained to deliver said courses. No, I didn't pay for anything, the aviation college that employs me most of the time paid. |
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scot47
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1996-2002 I worked for Saudi Arabian Airlines at the Training Center in Jeddah. From time to time we would go "on tour" to the many airports in-kingdom that had airline offices.
Boring but I did get a chance to see weird places like Sharura, Bisha, Gurayat and the like. |
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TT-Kira
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| You're out of date. All ATC's and pilots now have to reach ICAO level four to become licensed as operational. Only ICAO approved course are accepted for this and only teachers and examiners who have been trained to deliver said courses. No, I didn't pay for anything, the aviation college that employs me most of the time paid. |
As someone who's been in the industry for 10 years, speaks on the topic regularly at int'l aviation training conferences, works as an inspector for a CAA amongst a whole host of other areas in the industry ... I think you'll find I'm not out of date.
You've been fed a load of b*****t as ICAO 'approved' courses do not exist (currently on mission giving one now) and ICAO do not 'approve' instructors or raters; although I'm hoping ICAO will be doing this soon, which I'm lobbying for to sort the wheat from the chaff ... |
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veiledsentiments
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This is such an esoteric debate not really related to EFL, perhaps you two should take it to PMs.
VS |
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scot47
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| Try googling "ICAO Aviation English" and you will get a zillion hits. |
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