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[rxk22]

[Maitoshi]

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[TokyoLiz]

nightsofdreams,

You clearly said that martial training results in manliness. Tell that to the heirs of Fukuda Keiko, or Olympic judo champion Kaori Matsumoto, the thousands of women who practice naginata do, karate, aikido, capoeira, kung fu....

Martial arts training and expertise does not require the practitioner to be male, nor does it result in exclusively male traits.

That was my point.

[water rat]

[Maitoshi]

One might argue that a major point in favor of martial arts is that they help to equalize things for everyone, regardless of size or strength. I know there are more than a few 5 foot nothing and less than 100 pound gals that can hand me my A on a silver platter. That's enough to make most men question what it means to be a man.

[Maitoshi]

[rxk22]

[quote="Maitoshi"]

[Maitoshi]

I get what you're saying. I really do. Even so, in my mind the most successful practitioners of Aikido never really have to test themselves in a physical altercation. The harmony that results from it's practice usually side-steps the physical aspects of a conflict. Blending and harmonizing with others are the most valuable aspects of Aikido. If you're looking to kick A, best to look at the other arts. But for self-defense, I have found it invaluable. I studied Judo (along with a smattering of JJ and Karate, but almost not enough to mention), in case my faith in Aikido were misplaced or in case a situation should arise when I find it necessary to attack. I'm continuously grateful that such has yet to be the case.

[G Cthulhu]

This is starting to get more interesting. I can't say that I take the experience of someone who has flitted from MA to MA terribly seriously. By definition, they simply have little to no depth to their understanding. They also, from what they say and how they phrase things, clearly only conceive of one aspect of the spectrum.

For my part, I divide things into 3 parts - martial arts, martial sports, and fighting arts, and I have enough experience to know to separate the person from the system. Anyone that has experience will understand immediately where I'm going with this.

But some posters here aren't doing that. They're equating some undefined notion of "fighting efficiency" with "value" and bundling it all under the label "martial arts". IMO it's a sloppy way of thinking.

Is naginatado not a martial art? Iaido? Kyudo? Kendo? Classical tai chi chuan? Is someone that's 85 years doing karate kata not practicing a MA any more because they're not capable of kicking arse like a 22 year old? Judo is often taught solidly as a sport these days, rather than the martial art side of it. Aikido is often taught as a martial art and little effort is made to teach application. But, given the techniques are exactly the same in daito ryu aiki JJ (which is very much taught as a fighting art and martial art) how can it be that one earns scorn and the other earns respect? Judo codifies and teaches not to throw from locked positions. Aikido, Daito Ryu, and the lineal parent of Judo all teach to throw from locked positions. Throwing from locked positions is, from a combat perspective, more effective (if we equate "more likely to damage and/or kill the opponent with zero extra effort" as "effective") yet some from the list are, according to some here, "real" and the others aren't.

I honestly can't get behind the idea of some random person on a anon BB who says they've never stuck at anything for any length of time as being qualified to comment on what is and isn't a "real" MA.

They may well comment on people they've encountered and it may even reflect on how something is generally done, but the assumption of biases and perspective as to normative value are simply ridiculous & childish. The circularity of the logic, along with the complete failure to understand what it is they're talking about or that their position is entirely circular, is probably lost on them too. The inability on their part to distinguish that simply proves the point, IMO, that they're wholly unqualified to take part in the discussion. But then, IMO we've already seen that with them claiming that half of an entire population is worthless simply because they don't meet his particular standards of "manliness".

[rxk22]

[rxk22]

Oh Cthulu, I thought you were just insufferable, but you are dishonest now too. I never said I jumped from art to art. You make it seem as though I never stuck at a single school for more than 6 months.
I'll pretend like that was a rudely worded question. I started doing BJJ and Muay Thai in 2004, and later that year I started training MMA. Yes, I have had breaks in that time period, but I have trained those styles pretty much for the past 10 years. I also got to train and help one of my fellow students win 2nd in the world in Kick boxing, as I was his primary sparring partner.
I helped one get into the UFC. I also placed in the WKA in MMA. As well as having won a regional grappling match in Japan.

I also did Kung fu for a few years, before stopping. Why? I found it wasn't as effectively trained as other arts.

I also enjoy where you assume that I think that an 80 yo taking an MA is worthless. Bravo. They can still realistically drill and enable themselves to properly defends themselves. We have older MT and BJJ students, and for the most part they do train hard, there is nothing stopping a person from breaking a sweat.

Are you using to Kyudo for SD? No, that is not what it is intended for,a nd won't make you any better at SD. You are being silly now.

What is a locked position? At least use real terminology here. I never said that you need to kill your opponent. In fact, I very clearly, and multiple times said that a take down can be done with out damaging an opponent. You could be a little less blatant with your lies.

BTW do you have ANY martial arts experience?

[Maitoshi]

[G Cthulhu]

[The Fifth Column]

[nightsintodreams]