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Russell Hadd
Joined: 06 May 2004
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 Posted: Mon Jul 12, 2004 8:57 pm Post subject: Re: Moving ahead |
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| grahamb wrote: |
| Scot47 is spot-on re the football/religious divide. It�s no stereotype. |
You've been reading the Record again. It's society not football that has the problem. The only problems exclusively to football in Scotland are the sorry state it's in financially and the bungling SPL executive. The sooner we have a British league the better for us all.
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| As for Ireland... try walking around East Belfast in your Ireland top, Russell. Be sure your life insurance premiums are paid up first, though. |
I don't have an Ireland shirt at the moment but thanks for using your imagination and not really making a point. Who mentioned East Belfast? The point is you can wear it in Scotland and many more do in George Square right now than wear our shirt.
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| Russell has clearly been over-indulging in at least one mind-altering substance. |
 Aye it's the way he tells 'em.
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| The vast majority of Scots still don�t support England. |
I'm beginning to wonder if you ever read  More Scots than ever backed England in Euro 2004. It was also wonderful to see the paradox of a 'Catholic' Coatbridge Rangers England flag at every game in Portugal! The Scottish Tourist Board even sponsored England in the last World Cup. Yes, the pipers proudly playing in their tartan were actually Scottish and paid for by us! Personally, I don't mind that you didn't support England.
But here's a suggestion - save all that negative energy and turn it into positive energy for the Slovenia and Norway games coming up soon at Hampden. Keep thinking the bottle's half full!
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When English folk learn to use the terms French and Germans instead of Frogs and Krauts, then maybe I might just think about reviewing my opinion of the Anglo-Saxon. Until then it�s business as usual. |
Oops - more stereotypes perpetuated by the narrow minded; they get everywhere eh? East Belfast, London, Manchester and Cardiff but we are proud are we not that Scotland doesn't know this kind of address for the French and German?
Are we talking Scotland or Dreamland here? |
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dmb
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| BTW (and this is the last question), what do other people call the English? Apart from Sassenachs, that is... |
I think the mods might beep it.
BTW Isn't it a shame that England's participation in Euro 2004 didn't last as long as this thread |
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Russell Hadd
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:02 am Post subject: |
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| Teacher in Rome wrote: |
| BTW (and this is the last question), what do other people call the English? Apart from Sassenachs, that is... |
Tans for the British.
We should all remember the words of the First Minister when he was talking about the challenges that Scotland is facing in adapting to being a truely multi-cultural society:
"intolerance and prejudice do nothing but hold Scotland back."
Until we all heed those words we will remain in the past and are bound to be met with such things as French and Germans who think the SNP is the Scottish version of the BNP!
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grahamb
Joined: 30 Apr 2003
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 10:31 am Post subject: Names |
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Russell is that strange cratur, a Brit-minded Celtic supporter. Equally unpopular in East or West Belfast. Cast your mind back a few years, Russell. Remember the 16 year-old whose throat was cut as he walked home after a Celtic match? His crime? Wearing a Celtic top. Wear what you will, but be aware that there are plenty of redneck types out there who don�t share your fraternal feelings.
My negative energy is aimed only at Brits and Little Englanders. I have no axe to grind with anyone else.
The STB and the Record do not represent the majority of opinion in Scotland. And as for John Swinney wishing England all the best... Grrrrrrr!!!
Sassunach - note the "u" in the correct spelling - is simply the Gaelic word for an Englishman. It has no inherent derogatory meaning.
Teacher in Rome - to answer your question, yes, I object strongly to being called "Jock". To me it�s no less offensive than "dago", "wop", or the "n" word.
Enough ranting from me... at least for the time being! |
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Russell Hadd
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| Posted: Tue Jul 13, 2004 11:34 am Post subject: Re: Names |
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| grahamb wrote: |
| Russell is that strange cratur, a Brit-minded Celtic supporter. Equally unpopular in East or West Belfast. |
Glad to be able to break stereotype again. Why does Belfast keep coming up? Are you claiming it as part of Glasgow?
I think you mean open-minded and non-prejudicial minded rather than Brit-minded. For example, I'm not against the Swiss but Urs Meijer deserves the misery he is going through right now.
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| Cast your mind back a few years, Russell. Remember the 16 year-old whose throat was cut as he walked home after a Celtic match? His crime? Wearing a Celtic top. Wear what you will, but be aware that there are plenty of redneck types out there who don�t share your fraternal feelings. |
Again you are confusing society's problem with football's. People are being murdered every day. There are plenty of redneck types out there who are nothing to do with football.
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| My negative energy is aimed only at Brits and Little Englanders. I have no axe to grind with anyone else. |
Well with that attitude it's no wonder you get wound up everytime you head south - you need to chill a bit - you might find the friendly English shopkeepers accepting your Clydesdale fiver. Mind you the Kindgom of Fife is fast becoming the Kingdom of 'sold the house in London to retire to Scotland' so maybe you only need to head as far as Glenrothes to get wound up.
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| And as for John Swinney wishing England all the best... Grrrrrrr!!! |
You're just scratching the surface. |
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grahamb
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| Posted: Wed Jul 14, 2004 11:14 pm Post subject: Axes to grind |
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Okay, let me clarify. I'm sick of patronising, condescending, arrogant Anglos who think their very existence is a blessing to the rest of us. If that particular cap fits, then by all means wear it with pride.
If you really knew anything about football, politics or religion you'd appreciate the very real links between Belfast and Glasgow. Busloads of football fans and republican and loyalist marching bands regularly travel in both directions. Weapons, ammunition and funds also flow from the west of Scotland to the six counties.
I'm not confusing anything. That kid was murdered because he was wearing a Celtic top. His killer came from a family of notorious loyalists, and attempts were made to have him transferred to a prison in Ulster to be nearer his political pals there. Whether you like it or not, sectarianism is alive and kicking in football, and the old firm have thrived on it for decades.
As for white settlers, they're everywhere, betweeen 800,000 and one million of them (that explains the England shirts you saw on your travels).
Like you, many of them also preach to us about how to be good little Brits.
Maybe you think the refusal to accept Scottish banknotes in England is amusing. Did three of my great uncles die at the Somme to preserve that piece of "liberty"? They'd have done better to have fought alongside Pearse and Connolly in the GPO. |
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Russell Hadd
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| Posted: Thu Jul 15, 2004 7:52 am Post subject: Re: Axes to grind |
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| grahamb wrote: |
| Okay, let me clarify. I'm sick of patronising, condescending, arrogant Anglos who think their very existence is a blessing to the rest of us. If that particular cap fits, then by all means wear it with pride. |
But can't you see that you are their Scottish equivalent! You perpetuate both stereotypes with gusto; it would be amusing but I think you are actually being serious. I'm Scottish and my partner is English. Thankfully she has rarely had to encounter such prejudice as yours. Accept history for what it is - the past. We live in 21st Century Scotland and the issues have changed.
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| If you really knew anything about football, politics or religion you'd appreciate the very real links between Belfast and Glasgow. Busloads of football fans and republican and loyalist marching bands regularly travel in both directions. Weapons, ammunition and funds also flow from the west of Scotland to the six counties. |
And that's where you're wrong the links are still strong on religion but on football your argument falls down - Dublin, Liverpool, Manchester - take a trip on the M74 one Saturday morning and where are half of the supporter coaches going? Belfast - try Manchester Utd, Arsenal and Liverpool. Sure you'll come back and tell me I'm wrong but I know I'm living in the 21st Century and not the 1970s or 1980s.
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| I'm not confusing anything. That kid was murdered because he was wearing a Celtic top. His killer came from a family of notorious loyalists, and attempts were made to have him transferred to a prison in Ulster to be nearer his political pals there. Whether you like it or not, sectarianism is alive and kicking in football, and the old firm have thrived on it for decades. |
Oh alright, I accept Glaswegians are killing each other over football all the time. It's fortunate Glasgow's drugs mafia don't wear colours - we really would have a bloodbath then.
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| As for white settlers, they're everywhere, betweeen 800,000 and one million of them (that explains the England shirts you saw on your travels). Like you, many of them also preach to us about how to be good little Brits. |
It's concerning that you can talk about the English like this. Scotland is for everyone, including English people , who for your information come in a variety of colours not just white.
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