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LPKSA
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 Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:15 am Post subject: Interlink? Not a chance. |
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Um, wtf are these people smoking? This was in my inbox first thing this morning.
Immediate EFL Instructor Positions
Located at: Riyadh (Saudi Arabia)->map
Vacancy: 5 or more
Salary: $3166 USD
Requisites: MA TEFL or Applied Linguistics
Required fields of expertise: ESL/EFL
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Immediate EFL Posts
Background
For more than three decades, INTERLINK has been offering intensive English language training, academic preparation, and cultural orientation to students, scholars and professionals from around the world at its US university centers.
In addition to our more than a decade operation at Al Yamamah University in Riyadh and four years of close working relationship with the Technical and Vocational Training Corporation (TVTC), a Saudi government organization overseeing the country’s colleges of technology and telecommunication, we are pleased to announce that that INTERLINK is now working with the Institute of Public Administration, also a Saudi government organization. The goal of all programs is to prepare students for different professional and academic functions needing English as a medium of communication. Most students are preparing for the workplace, while a small number also plan to continue to higher education either in the Kingdom or abroad.
Minimum Qualifications for the IPA posts are as follows:
• MA in TESL/TEFL, or Applied Linguistics. (Preference will be given to those with fluency in other languages and/or Peace Corps or similar service/work experience in another country)
(NB: The Saudi government does not recognize online degrees or certificates; all must be residential.)
• have a minimum of two years of ESL/EFL teaching experience with adult learners
• creativity and flexibility to adapt to a learner-centered program using an experiential, content-based and needs-based approach
• ability to adapt to a way of life requiring understanding, conformity, and flexibility
• commitment to students, the profession, and innovative approaches to teaching method
• experience with course management systems
Responsibilities
• 20 hours of weekly instruction of core classes, plus 10 hours weekly of work on individualized instruction, which includes supervision of student work done in core classes, labs, or any other language needs students may have
• record-keeping, grading, and report-writing
• initial placement testing of students
• keeping office hours for meetings with students
• participation in faculty meetings, committees, and professional development
Salary, Benefits and Terms
• $38,000 – $42,500 salary per annum, commensurate with experience
• annual renewable contract
• local holidays and 45 days paid summer vacation
• round-trip transportation to and from Saudi Arabia (valued at approx. $2,000 – $3,000 per person, including the employee’s first three dependents)
• local transportation to and from the campus (valued at approx. $2,500)
• furnished housing (Riyadh) or housing allowance (valued at approx.. $10,000)
• medical insurance with 10percent co-pay (valued at approx. $5,000)
• 5percent end-of-service bonus for renewal of 12-month contract
• employment visa and residency permit (valued at approx. $5,000)
• growth opportunities within the Kingdom and in the U.S. for successful employees
NB: Due to the strict governmental regulations and the challenge of obtaining work visas, applicants from non-English-speaking countries cannot be considered.
Applicants not meeting requirements will not be acknowledged. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:22 am Post subject: Re: Interlink? Not a chance. |
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| LPKSA wrote: |
| Um, wtf are these people smoking? This was in my inbox first thing this morning. |
Why not just hit the "delete" button? |
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LPKSA
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 2:31 am Post subject: |
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I've already done that.
My question is: where is the morale? I don't expect much, I know, but come on, really? |
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Sheik Yerbuti
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Location: the promised land
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:38 am Post subject: |
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| Lunch money. Good luck to those five. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 3:43 am Post subject: |
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| LPKSA wrote: |
| My question is: where is the morale? I don't expect much, I know, but come on, really? |
Maybe you should direct that question to the individual who emailed you the job ad.  |
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LPKSA
Joined: 02 Mar 2014
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 4:10 am Post subject: |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
| LPKSA wrote: |
| My question is: where is the morale? I don't expect much, I know, but come on, really? |
Maybe you should direct that question to the individual who emailed you the job ad. |
Seriously. Are you being a wanker for sport? You're not even that good at being a wanker. You should stop. |
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johnslat
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The morale? I fear you won't find much of that quality among most ex-pats in Saudi:
"The state of the spirits of a person or group as exhibited by confidence, cheerfulness, discipline, and willingness to perform assigned tasks."
Regards,
John |
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mashkif
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 7:54 pm Post subject: Re: Interlink? Not a chance. |
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| LPKSA wrote: |
Um, wtf are these people smoking? This was in my inbox first thing this morning.
Immediate EFL Instructor Positions
Located at: Riyadh (Saudi Arabia)->map
Vacancy: 5 or more
Salary: $3166 USD
Requisites: MA TEFL or Applied Linguistics
Required fields of expertise: ESL/EFL
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So, I take it you think that a graduate degree in something like "TEFL" or applied linguistics entitles you to a salary exceeding the equivalent of at least $80,000 gross in America.
Why on earth would you think that!?!?! |
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grahamb
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| Posted: Thu Dec 11, 2014 8:35 pm Post subject: Declining salaries |
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| So, I take it you think that a graduate degree in something like "TEFL" or applied linguistics entitles you to a salary exceeding the equivalent of at least $80,000 gross in America. |
To be fair, LPKSA didn't say that. Offers like the one he received are sadly all-too common nowadays as more employers recruit via agencies. The salary range quoted is a joke, especially so for holders of master's degrees. |
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LPKSA
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 2:56 am Post subject: Re: Declining salaries |
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| grahamb wrote: |
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| So, I take it you think that a graduate degree in something like "TEFL" or applied linguistics entitles you to a salary exceeding the equivalent of at least $80,000 gross in America. |
To be fair, LPKSA didn't say that. Offers like the one he received are sadly all-too common nowadays as more employers recruit via agencies. The salary range quoted is a joke, especially so for holders of master's degrees. |
Yeah, I didn't say that. Nor did I imply it.
3,200 USD is low. It's low. How can you argue with that? What is wrong with (some) people on this site? Seriously. Make a statement about low salaries and get trolled. Don't you have a life? Take your attitude somewhere else. Perhaps you're a butt hurt recruiter who can't succeed and staffing people for low ball salaries. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri Dec 12, 2014 3:39 am Post subject: |
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| LPKSA wrote: |
| 3,200 USD is low. It's low. How can you argue with that? What is wrong with (some) people on this site? Seriously. Make a statement about low salaries and get trolled. Don't you have a life? Take your attitude somewhere else. Perhaps you're a butt hurt recruiter who can't succeed and staffing people for low ball salaries. |
It's quite obvious that salaries have been declining. That's how it is. But seriously, we've all received mediocre offers at times during our careers---it happens. Just ignore those cheesy, low-ball ads in your inbox; they're simply not worth agonizing over or complaining about or reflecting on morale at those jobs. Delete them or let them go into your spam box. Besides, last month you posted that you'd received an offer for 20,000/mo. So...
If you believe you have primo qualifications and experience and want to work for the better employers in the region, plan to head to TESOL Arabia's conference and job fair in Dubai next March. Some employers make offers on the spot; it's how I got my direct-hire job in KSA. Anyway, they'll start posting job ads over the next month or so. Attending TESOL Arabia can be pricey, but sometimes you have to spend money to make money.
And by the way, no one is trolling you. |
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mashkif
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| Posted: Sat Dec 13, 2014 11:00 am Post subject: Re: Declining salaries |
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| LPKSA wrote: |
| [...]3,200 USD is low. It's low. How can you argue with that? What is wrong with (some) people on this site? Seriously. Make a statement about low salaries and get trolled. Don't you have a life? Take your attitude somewhere else. Perhaps you're a butt hurt recruiter who can't succeed and staffing people for low ball salaries. |
$3,200 is almost entirely discretionary income. From that you deduct only groceries, travels, and outings, which should leave you at the very least $2,000 per month to save. As I wrote elsewhere, to be able to do that in, say, the States, your pretax annual salary would have to be well over $70,000.
I happen to think that even $70,000 p.a. (never mind the preposterous demands some have made on here) to teach a bunch of late teens "Hello, what's your name?" is pushing it. It is Saudi Arabia though, so there's some qua hazard pay to reckon with. But to be moaning that it's inadequate is borderline offensive. |
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LPKSA
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| Posted: Sun Dec 14, 2014 3:30 am Post subject: Re: Declining salaries |
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| mashkif wrote: |
| LPKSA wrote: |
| [...]3,200 USD is low. It's low. How can you argue with that? What is wrong with (some) people on this site? Seriously. Make a statement about low salaries and get trolled. Don't you have a life? Take your attitude somewhere else. Perhaps you're a butt hurt recruiter who can't succeed and staffing people for low ball salaries. |
$3,200 is almost entirely discretionary income. From that you deduct only groceries, travels, and outings, which should leave you at the very least $2,000 per month to save. As I wrote elsewhere, to be able to do that in, say, the States, your pretax annual salary would have to be well over $70,000.
I happen to think that even $70,000 p.a. (never mind the preposterous demands some have made on here) to teach a bunch of late teens "Hello, what's your name?" is pushing it. It is Saudi Arabia though, so there's some qua hazard pay to reckon with. But to be moaning that it's inadequate is borderline offensive. |
And if you are required to work around the clock, planning lessons, grading papers, and putting up with the asinine nonsense which is thrown your way? I'm talking about round the clock grading, extending well into the weekends (both days, early mornings to late nights)... No... free... time... whatsoever... for someone who is well trained, offered 3,200 per month, that's offensive. |
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mashkif
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| Posted: Tue Dec 16, 2014 8:01 pm Post subject: Re: Declining salaries |
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| LPKSA wrote: |
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$3,200 is almost entirely discretionary income. From that you deduct only groceries, travels, and outings, which should leave you at the very least $2,000 per month to save. As I wrote elsewhere, to be able to do that in, say, the States, your pretax annual salary would have to be well over $70,000.
I happen to think that even $70,000 p.a. (never mind the preposterous demands some have made on here) to teach a bunch of late teens "Hello, what's your name?" is pushing it. It is Saudi Arabia though, so there's some qua hazard pay to reckon with. But to be moaning that it's inadequate is borderline offensive. |
And if you are required to work around the clock, planning lessons, grading papers, and putting up with the asinine nonsense which is thrown your way? I'm talking about round the clock grading, extending well into the weekends (both days, early mornings to late nights)... No... free... time... whatsoever... for someone who is well trained, offered 3,200 per month, that's offensive. |
I'm sure the terms of the contract specify the weekly contact and office hours, and I doubt these combined exceed 40. Of course, we all know that a bit more than that is required for grading and preparation.
If you're expected to be in attendance on campus more than, say, forty hours per week--in contravention of the contract--, then sue the employer and/or quit.
If the contract specifies more than, say, 40 hours, you should not (have) sign(ed) it.
If grading and preparation end up taking you more than an hour or two a weekday, then, forgive me but, you are doing it wrong. At certain points in a semester (e.g. midterm or final exams, after a paper was due, etc.), I'd spend 10-20 hours (basically, my weekend) doing grading. And when I began teaching a new course, I'd need an extra 30-60 minutes of prep-time before each lecture. But those were exceptions, which makes me wonder whether the hours you talk about are due to your having assented to a crummy contract, INTERLINK's breaching the employment contract's terms, or your being inefficient in preparation and grading.
And ultimately, if it sucks so bad, quit. |
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LPKSA
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| Posted: Thu Dec 18, 2014 5:58 pm Post subject: Re: Declining salaries |
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| mashkif wrote: |
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$3,200 is almost entirely discretionary income. From that you deduct only groceries, travels, and outings, which should leave you at the very least $2,000 per month to save. As I wrote elsewhere, to be able to do that in, say, the States, your pretax annual salary would have to be well over $70,000.
I happen to think that even $70,000 p.a. (never mind the preposterous demands some have made on here) to teach a bunch of late teens "Hello, what's your name?" is pushing it. It is Saudi Arabia though, so there's some qua hazard pay to reckon with. But to be moaning that it's inadequate is borderline offensive. |
And if you are required to work around the clock, planning lessons, grading papers, and putting up with the asinine nonsense which is thrown your way? I'm talking about round the clock grading, extending well into the weekends (both days, early mornings to late nights)... No... free... time... whatsoever... for someone who is well trained, offered 3,200 per month, that's offensive. |
I'm sure the terms of the contract specify the weekly contact and office hours, and I doubt these combined exceed 40. Of course, we all know that a bit more than that is required for grading and preparation.
If you're expected to be in attendance on campus more than, say, forty hours per week--in contravention of the contract--, then sue the employer and/or quit.
If the contract specifies more than, say, 40 hours, you should not (have) sign(ed) it.
If grading and preparation end up taking you more than an hour or two a weekday, then, forgive me but, you are doing it wrong. At certain points in a semester (e.g. midterm or final exams, after a paper was due, etc.), I'd spend 10-20 hours (basically, my weekend) doing grading. And when I began teaching a new course, I'd need an extra 30-60 minutes of prep-time before each lecture. But those were exceptions, which makes me wonder whether the hours you talk about are due to your having assented to a crummy contract, INTERLINK's breaching the employment contract's terms, or your being inefficient in preparation and grading.
And ultimately, if it sucks so bad, quit. |
Sound advice. But how can I quit a job for which I have not signed a contract, nor work there at all to begin with? I feel bad for whoever works for this company at that salary. Ultimately they will see whoever signs the contract as someone who is ready and willing to allow them to take the piss. F that. No thanks. If enough people just flat out refuse offers like this, is there a chance of the salary offers going back up? Honest question for people who have been here for a while. |
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