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matador
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 Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject: 15,500RMB per month in Shanghai?? |
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I had an interview and the school offered me this rate for a full time job (20hrs teaching per week) but with no accomodation. Is this good for Shanghai....?  |
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kev7161
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 1:47 pm Post subject: |
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Anything else? I mean, airfare reimbursement? meals? medical? full holiday pay? Anything?
I have no idea what a nice, modern apartment would go for in Shanghai. Your first month's salary may well go towards FURNISHING said place, but if you were paying, say, 5000rmb per month, plus utilities and groceries, you could possibly still clear 7000+. That ain't too shabby in my opinion. But I live in dumpy ol' Hangzhou, so we'll have to hear from some Shanghai people. |
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lagerlout2006
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 3:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds pathetic. Tell them what they can do with it. You didn't just fall off the turnip truck did you? Sick offers like this are why China is getting a bad name. |
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bullitt
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 4:55 pm Post subject: |
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| that actually seems like a good offer to me... |
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Gray000
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| Posted: Sun Jul 18, 2004 5:45 pm Post subject: |
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That's a very OK deal, but for housing:
1) If you can't do it yourself, make sure they'll help and
2) WATCH THE PERSON NEGOTIATIONG THE APARTMENT ON YOUR BEHALF VERY CLOSELY AND BE A HARDAS ON THE RENT because you will be shafted if you don't. |
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Klamm
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 3:09 am Post subject: |
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That's quite good unless your good and macho and kind do better at the drop of a hat. All the rest of us folks scope the internet links and pages or hoof around a bit until we generally find that...yes, that's pretty good. I've seen a lot of offers for a good deal less than that so I sense that if they're a lot of offers out there for less, and they can only be around if people are willing to take those offers because they can't find better...so my point is that the offer is a fine one.
Then again, no bonuses at all and I think the offer might not be a grand one. With bonuses, I'd say it's quite good.
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millie
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 5:43 am Post subject: |
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Although you dont mention your background, the offer is quite good but you do need a visa of course.
You dont say where the school is and so the rent could vary a lot by location.
Expect to pay RMB1,500 at a minimum up to RMB3,000 or more depending on area.
Good luck.
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struelle
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| Posted: Mon Jul 19, 2004 8:02 am Post subject: |
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The offer sounds quite good - about the same as I'm making now. Rents vary as the other poster mentioned. I'd recommend an apartment in the semi-downtown districts, that is in the vicinity of the inner ring road or beyond. If you rent in places like XuJiaHui, Nanjing Rd, or the Pudong Area near LuJiaZui, you can expect to pay a lot.
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millie
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 3:01 am Post subject: |
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Struelle wrote:
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| I'd recommend an apartment in the semi-downtown districts, that is in the vicinity of the inner ring road or beyond. |
Surely commonsense would dictate that you live close to your school.
I dont see any virtue in living a distance away and then having to spend 1/2 hour or more on some steaming crowded bus everyday.
If the school is outside the ring road (yikes!) - well - that is where you will live but I don't believe those areas really have much to offer most people.
LJZ in Pudong is a business district so very very few people live there.
(Commute using no.2 subway line)
Nanjing Rd is quite a long road and has some fairly ratty housing blocks nearby in many sections.
The most expensive parts of Shanghai are Luwan and Xuhui but even in these areas you can find something quite reasonable for RMB2,000 - 2,500.
Even so I have a friend that has a place in Luwan (RuiJinLu) for RMB1,500 - all new inside.
However, it is small and a 10-15 min bike ride to the no.1 subway line.
You do need to get your school to assist you in finding a place that is close-by.
Where is your school?? |
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matador
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 12:35 pm Post subject: |
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| My school is in Pudong. |
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millie
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 1:36 pm Post subject: |
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Matador
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| My school is in Pudong. |
Oh, that has narrowed it down a lot. |
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bullitt
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| Posted: Tue Jul 20, 2004 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| You might want to live in Huang Pu(Puxi) and take the #2 line over for work. |
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struelle
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 2:33 pm Post subject: |
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Surely commonsense would dictate that you live close to your school.
I dont see any virtue in living a distance away and then having to spend 1/2 hour or more on some steaming crowded bus everyday. |
This is like deja vu on some other thread where we got into the same argument 
I think it all depends on the person. For someone who doesn't mind crowded local buses, the distance commutes and cheap rents are a good deal. Rents go up at least 30% when you're near a subway station, and the subways are just as crowded as the buses.
I'm a seasoned commuter now after surviving 10 months in Jiading, which is well well beyond the OUTER ring road. Up to 2 hour commutes each way. That's overkill, but the inner road is no more than 30 minutes from the core so I think it's reasonable.
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| Nanjing Rd is quite a long road and has some fairly ratty housing blocks nearby in many sections. |
True but those are often up for demolition. I was shocked to see them raze some of my favorite eateries I used to frequent near JingAn Temple. You know the road that parallels Nanjing, west of the subway? They razed the �Cafe Boulangerie' and the GII Wonton place, and the Xinjiang restaurant is next.
Fortunately, the wonton restaurant relocated across the street and they've got a brand new joint. But it'll be a sad story when the Xinjiang place gets razed.
For this reason, living in ratty housing blocks downtown may sound good, but I wouldn't want to. I had a colleague who did this once, and they gave him 5 months notice they'd 'chai' the place.
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millie
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| Posted: Wed Jul 21, 2004 5:19 pm Post subject: |
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Struelle wrote
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| This is like deja vu on some other thread where we got into the same argument |
No argument here but I just think commuting is about the biggest waste of time that life can serve up.
Actually, I did travel out to Jiading for a number of lessons but I was very lucky in that the school drove me out there and paid for my travelling time too. But it was a . . . l o n g . . . way
Anyway, good luck to you Steve and cheers 
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struelle
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| Posted: Thu Jul 22, 2004 8:58 am Post subject: |
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| No argument here but I just think commuting is about the biggest waste of time that life can serve up. |
Agreed here, especially in the city. I only recommend commuting to people who've been around for awhile, know the roads, and have patience. It'd be much better for newbies to get a house closer to the schools.
This reminds me a lot of doing my CELTA course in Bangkok. Our trainers highly recommended we live close to the centre, and it was necessary. One of them commuted, and it took him up to 4 hours on occasion.
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| Anyway, good luck to you Steve and cheers |
Thanks, same to you
Steve |
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