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How Low Can It Go? The ruble and the state of Russian ESL
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GotoRussia



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
I've been here a long time, and have a range of experiences. A wide one. A young graduate such as yourself has it all in front of her.

As for social etiquette, I think that calling people w*#kers and scaring off love-struck posters with questions about their sanity disbars you from any comment on others' manners.


Young graduate? hahaha...good one. Last time I was in school was over 2 decades ago.

I thought living in Russia for over 10 years would have given you thicker skin than that. I'm sure the babushkas hurl far worse at you at the metro stops! All that vodka and borscht didn't toughen you up?

I give a real outlook on what's going on in Moscow right now.

All I hear you say is "Come to Russia!" like it's some mantra put into you by the higher ups. I truly fear you've been brainwashed.

How long ago was it that you've lived in your former home country? Were things so bad that you had to leave it permanently for Russia?

Serious question man. I guess as you said you have no emotional attachments to your birthplace. I wonder what happened to make you feel that way.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:43 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, all this is a hijack of the original post. Sasha's personal origins and motives are obviously not actually related to the value of the ruble.

Why would you need to know his personal details? Why should anyone post personal information on a public forum?

This has been debated in the past and the mods have come down firmly on the side of posters not being responsible to provide answers to personal inquiries.
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GotoRussia



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I really don't care where Sasha is from.

when I listed all the major countries with English as it's first language, USA, UK, Canada, NZ, Aust, SA and you said it wasn't one of them then I was wondering where he was from.

Not everyone's a geography whiz like yourself.

He could be from some far flung territory like Guam for all I know.

Not everyone's ashamed of where they were born, I guess perhaps he is.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 10:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Why would you need to know his (or anyone else's) personal details?
Why should anyone post personal information on a public forum?
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GotoRussia



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Like I said, I could care less where he's from.

I'm saying if it's not any of those countries I listed which are native English speaking, why don't you enlighten me and name all the other countries in the world which are possibilities.

I'm pretty sure no one else could guess it, if it's some obscure place.

I ain't the geography whiz that you are.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The Russian government only issues work visas to teachers from a native English speaking country.

All registered schools require their teachers be from one, otherwise you can't get a job with them.

So, if it's not:

-UK
-USA
-Canada
-Australia
-New Zealand
-South Africa

Then I wonder how Sasha was able to come to Russia in the first place.

Schools will ask to see that your degree is from one of those countries. Is he hiding something we should know about?
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

[quote]So, if it's not:

-UK
-USA
-Canada
-Australia
-New Zealand
-South Africa

Then I wonder how Sasha was able to come to Russia in the first place.

Schools will ask to see that your degree is from one of those countries. Is he hiding something we should know about?[/quote]


Your list remains incomplete - I refer you again to google. Even Wikipedia has more info than this.
So far as whether Sasha is hiding some deep, dark secret that would impact his Russian visa, I strongly suspect that Dave's is not the policing body that would be concerned with this.

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GotoRussia



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

honestly I don't care where he's from. If it's not one of those places listed it's probably not worth mentioning.

No wonder he's been reluctant to say. He's fully converted to being Russian now, with citizenship and all.

I'm sure the Russian authorities will catch him eventually if it's anything illegal he did.
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GotoRussia



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 11:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

spiral78 wrote:



Your list remains incomplete - I refer you again to google. Even Wikipedia has more info than this.


or you can stop pretending to be a know-it-all and just say it. but you're too proud to do so, evidently. Pride is indeed one of the 7 deadly sins. Very Happy Cool
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

The thread is still trundling along I see : )

Two decades since graduating? Yet still under the nanny age-limit? I dunno... Finishing uni before twenty? High qualifications? And yet not much in the way of maturity... Seems like some contradictions right there.

As for origins, as had been pointed out, nobody is under any obligation to disclose any private information. But rest assured I'm not breaking any local laws : ) Thanks for the criminal slur though!

Now, did it ever cross your mind that not speaking an American dialect of English is no obstacle to teaching? Yet the shock of dealing with British, Indian speakers, or even me seems to be enough for you to patronise and criticise other posters. My dear, perhaps EFL just isn't for you. Either in Russia, whatever the rate, or elsewhere.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 12:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You questioning my credentials now? Ol' lassie what a curmudgeon you are!

Aight matey you from Ireland hey. No wonder you left never to return. The economy there crashed even worse than in Russia right now.

And what's with that Ireland/Northern Ireland divide, never got that. Ah right, the Protestants and Catholics...you did seem quite keen on that.

It all makes sense why you went for Russian citizenship. Hedge your bets.

Heck being an English teacher was never my goal! who would aspire to such lows? Most young grads use it as a means to backpack and have fun.

the guys who do it long term either have no other options or are stuck in some rut. Granted there's a few good lifers, God bless em. They are doing the Yeoman's work, take up the torch for them.

Funny how I'm getting career advice from you. I probably made more in my short time in Russia than you did your 1st year!

Don't worry ol' chap. If I come back to Russia and start a business and need someone to do the grunt work I'll look you up. You might be useful for something after all.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quote:
Heck being an English teacher was never my goal! who would aspire to such lows? Most young grads use it as a means to backpack and have fun.


Well, this hijacked thread has at least established a couple of useful items.

For newbies interested in TEFL in Russia, and especially in Moscow, Sasha's got long-term solid experience and advice to offer, as do some of the other Russia regulars who haven't stooped to follow this particular silliness.

I can legitimately comment on working with Russians both as colleagues and as students, and I can also comment on some general aspects of working in Moscow based on my project work.

For anyone who aspires to be a nanny to a Russian family, and the coolest hot spots of (2014?) for young American expats in Moscow, clearly GotoRussia's the local authority Cool Laughing
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GotoRussia



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 1:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yeah if anyone needs real advice go to Droggieman and spiral78..these mates got it all figured out in Russia.

funny, seems like you scared off all the new expats. or they heeded my warnings and decided not to go to Russia. now that's smart.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 3:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Strangely enough I'm still getting the same quantity of CVs in my inbox from people applying on spec for jobs here. The ruble fluctuations don't seem to bother them so much. They weren't coming over for the money. Possible they aren't totally materialistic and shallow. Or perhaps they had a more romantic motivation, like the chap who was told his English wasn't good enough and he'd be crazy to come, despite his knowing at least what CEFR levels are : )

So, there's still interest in coming to Russia. Despite posters whose antipathy for all things Russian (apart from their money) is impossible to disguise.

The ruble rate will recover. Just as the Euro didn't collapse into a Greek sinkhole. Life will go on as it always does.
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 02, 2015 7:01 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Are you that naive to think I would start a business in Russia these days after all I told you?

and with all that red tape, surely you saw what Putin did to the oligarchs and politicians who opposed him, Khodorkovsky, Berezovsky....now Navalny.

Oh, what's the pension plan for ESL teachers in Russia, do they dole out a hefty severance after your years of service?

Or if you suffer a serious health problem and can't work, do they cover disability payments?


Let's hope that property in the Med appreciates enough for you to have a backup plan!! I just hope you didn't buy in coastal Spain or Greece where prices have dropped a ton.

Hope you mapped out your financial future, working overseas as an ESL teacher never was the most stable of jobs.

Good luck man, you'll need it!
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