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2015 China Foreign ESL, TEFL, AP Teacher Requirements...
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Scrabble King



Joined: 25 Dec 2014
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 10, 2015 10:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Scrabble King wrote:
nomad soul wrote:
Scrabble King wrote:
Strange how someone deleted my OP...

Not "someone"---the Moderators deleted it and they've locked and/or deleted a couple of threads due to your posts. Multiple postings with the same info and spamming the Cafe forums with links to outside blogs/forums ad nauseam are a big no-no per the forum rules.

I'm glad you raised this subject because you had erroneously claimed I posted the 15 Employee Rights of foreign teachers in China 15 times. That was blatant lie. In fact, until yesterday NOBODY had posted more than 7 of the rights and after I went to the National Library to research this and the procedures of the China Arbitration Board, is when I found and posted all 15 of the Employee Rights and posted them - exactly ONCE at this link.

http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=109575



So do you have some legitimate reason for not wanting teachers to know all 15 of their rights Nomad Soul? And why should anyone want to hide the official 2015 foreign teacher requirements? They were correctly stated direct from the SAFEA web site.

Based on the following, you're certainly well on your way to repeating the same content 15+ times and/or including the same underwhelming scam site link to it:

All 15 Of Our Employee Rights As China Foreign Teachers...
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=109575

China chain letter to foreign teachers about employee rights
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=109481

What clauses China foreign teachers should add to contracts?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=109482

Know Your Employee Rights In China As Foreign Teachers
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=109502

15 Employee Rights Of China Foreign ESL & TEFL Teachers.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=109507

Getting paid 9 months on a 12 month contract. Common or not?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=1188679

Paying for a release letter
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=1189453

China Foreign Teachers Salaries Almost Lowest In World?
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=1189450

2015 China Foreign ESL, TEFL, AP Teacher Requirements...
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?p=1190218

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That's a lot for someone who's still fairly new to the Cafe. Frankly, once or twice was enough.

Instead of getting huffy at me for pointing out the obvious, you should probably be more mindful of the reason behind the Moderators' actions.


You are hard of reading friend. All of the posts you cite above make reference to only the 7 employee rights that were/are mentioned in the chain letter. Each mention of the 7 rights I made was in the context of different threads where it was related to each particular comment. I set out to find all 15 of the employee rights that were mentioned and as I told you above - I POSTED THE 15 EMPLOYEE RIGHTS ONLY 1 TIME.

So again I ask you, why are you so concerned about foreign teachers learning about their employee rights? What possible reason could you have for not wanting our teacher colleagues to know all 15 of their employee rights? I answered your question so can you please answer mine?

As for your comments about deleting the 2015 Foreign Teacher Requirements I see no link between one topic and the other. I am not a big fan of censorship in any venue. About me being fairly new to the forum, are you suggesting people cannot speak freely here or post threads for some period of time, or that everyone here does not have an equal voice or ???
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Scrabble King



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 8:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I thought for sure the courtesy of an explanation would be coming. Let down by another expat. What is the world coming to? Maybe I should stay in China after all.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 5:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scrabble King wrote:
I am not a big fan of censorship in any venue.

Your statement says it all.

You failed to comprehend my comments about how saturating the forum(s) with the same messages and links to scam sites is perceived as spamming. (Look it up if you don't know what the word means.) No one wants to see this forum turned into a shrine for just about every suspect China scam site. That's why some posters have been testy with you.

Anyway, I'm off this thread, but hopefully, the Moderators are keeping an eye on your posts.
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Scrabble King



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PostPosted: Mon Jan 12, 2015 9:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Nomad Soul... you must be blind. There is one and only one post on this entire China section talking about 2015 China Foreign Teacher requirements and it is this thread here that I started 10 days ago. There are no multiple posts about this topic so I challenge you to prove otherwise.

This is a valid subject that every teacher deserves to know about EVEN IF all the old veteran users here already know that the official 2015 requirements are the very same as 2014 as follows:

<> A bachelor degree in any major

<> A valid passport with a Z visa

<> 2 years previous work experience

<> English fluency

<> Age 21-60 years

<> Police certificate for Beijing

These are the official 2015 MANDATORY legal requirements to teach in China and anything more is optional according to SAFEA, the U.S. embassy, Chinese Embassy in Washington, and China Ministry of Education as you can check yourself at these links:

http://www.SAFEA.com

http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/acs_teach.html

http://www.moe.edu.cn/publicfiles/business/htmlfiles/moe/moe_2803/index.html

As I mentioned previously, Teaching certificates (TEFL, TESOL, and CELTA) are not mandatory unless you work for the EF chain that requires them. But if you have never taught before getting one is a damn good idea and may help you find a position faster. At present about 8% of expat teachers in China have one and the trend is growing.

So Nomad Soul, if any of the above information is not correct, please enlighten me with a reply and links to your sources.
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The_Kong



Joined: 15 Apr 2014
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PostPosted: Tue Jan 13, 2015 2:30 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Scrabble King wrote:
Nomad Soul... you must be blind. There is one and only one post on this entire China section talking about 2015 China Foreign Teacher requirements and it is this thread here that I started 10 days ago. There are no multiple posts about this topic so I challenge you to prove otherwise.

This is a valid subject that every teacher deserves to know about EVEN IF all the old veteran users here already know that the official 2015 requirements are the very same as 2014 as follows:

<> A bachelor degree in any major

<> A valid passport with a Z visa

<> 2 years previous work experience

<> English fluency

<> Age 21-60 years

<> Police certificate for Beijing

These are the official 2015 MANDATORY legal requirements to teach in China and anything more is optional according to SAFEA, the U.S. embassy, Chinese Embassy in Washington, and China Ministry of Education as you can check yourself at these links:

http://www.SAFEA.com

http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/acs_teach.html

http://www.moe.edu.cn/publicfiles/business/htmlfiles/moe/moe_2803/index.html

As I mentioned previously, Teaching certificates (TEFL, TESOL, and CELTA) are not mandatory unless you work for the EF chain that requires them. But if you have never taught before getting one is a damn good idea and may help you find a position faster. At present about 8% of expat teachers in China have one and the trend is growing.

So Nomad Soul, if any of the above information is not correct, please enlighten me with a reply and links to your sources.


Do you ever get tired of talking to yourself or are you the kinda guy who just loves the sound of your own voice?
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Scrabble King



Joined: 25 Dec 2014
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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

The_Kong wrote:
Scrabble King wrote:
Nomad Soul... you must be blind. There is one and only one post on this entire China section talking about 2015 China Foreign Teacher requirements and it is this thread here that I started 10 days ago. There are no multiple posts about this topic so I challenge you to prove otherwise.

This is a valid subject that every teacher deserves to know about EVEN IF all the old veteran users here already know that the official 2015 requirements are the very same as 2014 as follows:

<> A bachelor degree in any major

<> A valid passport with a Z visa

<> 2 years previous work experience

<> English fluency

<> Age 21-60 years

<> Police certificate for Beijing

These are the official 2015 MANDATORY legal requirements to teach in China and anything more is optional according to SAFEA, the U.S. embassy, Chinese Embassy in Washington, and China Ministry of Education as you can check yourself at these links:

http://www.SAFEA.com

http://beijing.usembassy-china.org.cn/acs_teach.html

http://www.moe.edu.cn/publicfiles/business/htmlfiles/moe/moe_2803/index.html

As I mentioned previously, Teaching certificates (TEFL, TESOL, and CELTA) are not mandatory unless you work for the EF chain that requires them. But if you have never taught before getting one is a damn good idea and may help you find a position faster. At present about 8% of expat teachers in China have one and the trend is growing.

So Nomad Soul, if any of the above information is not correct, please enlighten me with a reply and links to your sources.


Do you ever get tired of talking to yourself or are you the kinda guy who just loves the sound of your own voice?


I notice that when people misquoted you Kong, you immediately spoke up. When people twisted facts about something you put forward, you were quick to make the correction. Do I not also have the right to make the same clarifications? Nomad Soul made false claims. Whether they were deliberate or not, it doesn't matter. I pointed out the discrepancy.

So once again to be clear, NOBODY talked about these 15 Expat Employee Rights ANYWHERE on this web site before I made this post. And prior to this post we all had only discussed 7 of the rights. End of story. Let's move on.
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Bud Powell



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PostPosted: Fri Jan 16, 2015 11:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

SK:

This forum isn't about you. Move on.

Please see the stickies regarding forum behavior.
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Scrabble King



Joined: 25 Dec 2014
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PostPosted: Sat Jan 17, 2015 5:03 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're right Bud. This forum isn't about me - or you. But when people twist the words or deliberately misquote others to make someone look bad, ignorant, or stupid, people have the right to clarify and correct the misinformation. Since I already set things straight on the matter above, no reason to discuss it further unless you disagree?
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