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Ryks
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 Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 2:53 pm Post subject: Applying for jobs as a couple? |
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Hey there!
I'm currently applying as a couple so wanted to ask some advice.
Firstly, we're applying together - as in sending one email with all the required information and documents. We thought this would be better so the employer sees we are applying together and doesn't employ us separately. Is this bad? Should we actually be applying separately?
Secondly, what's up with the accommodation in Japan? Why do so many schools require you to stay in an apartment with one of their Japanese teachers or someone else from work. We both obviously want to live alone and without a random teacher. We've actually been turned down because of this...
Lastly, any kind of advice anyone can give when applying as a couple. Would be MASSIVELY appreciated 
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rtm
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 4:44 pm Post subject: Re: Applying for jobs as a couple? |
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| Ryks wrote: |
| Firstly, we're applying together - as in sending one email with all the required information and documents. We thought this would be better so the employer sees we are applying together and doesn't employ us separately. Is this bad? Should we actually be applying separately? |
That would mean that a place has to have 2 openings in the same place to hire you. That cuts the opportunities down massively.
If a company has 2 openings in the same place, they might want to hire a couple. However, that can also present problems -- the couple will probably want the same days off, and when they leave the company needs to quickly fill not just 1 position but 2.
If working for the same company is important for you then I suppose you need to apply together, but I think you would have more luck applying widely and separately. One option might be for one of you to get a job (so you know where you'll be), and then the other targeting that area (either before you arrive or once you are on the ground). I can't remember whether people on a dependent visa can work or not, but I've known plenty that have (at least part-time).
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| Secondly, what's up with the accommodation in Japan? Why do so many schools require you to stay in an apartment with one of their Japanese teachers or someone else from work. We both obviously want to live alone and without a random teacher. We've actually been turned down because of this... |
Money. It's all about money.
Shared accommodation is cheaper than providing an apartment for each employee.
Also, company-provided accommodation is often a money-maker for the company -- they charge you more than they pay for it. |
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Ryks
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| Posted: Tue Feb 03, 2015 5:21 pm Post subject: Re: Applying for jobs as a couple? |
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Money. It's all about money.
Shared accommodation is cheaper than providing an apartment for each employee.
Also, company-provided accommodation is often a money-maker for the company -- they charge you more than they pay for it.[/quote]
I would've thought it would help them as they then can have two employees in one apartment either way.
We were hoping applying as a couple would be attractive for the employer as they then have the security of two people less likely to run away and commit longer. |
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rtm
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 4:24 am Post subject: Re: Applying for jobs as a couple? |
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| Ryks wrote: |
| I would've thought it would help them as they then can have two employees in one apartment either way. |
Right, but they are already putting 2 people in an apartment, so they don't need to hire a couple to do so.
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| We were hoping applying as a couple would be attractive for the employer as they then have the security of two people less likely to run away and commit longer. |
I think that (being perceived as less likely to leave) would be the case if the foreign teacher is married to a Japanese local. However, I don't think most employers would have that perception about 2 nomadic foreign employees with no roots in the area. Two people can up and leave as easily as one person can.
Then again, I've never hired anyone in Japan, so take my advice with a grain of salt. |
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RM1983
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| Posted: Wed Feb 04, 2015 7:26 am Post subject: |
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| Suppose if one of you decides you hate it and leave, theyre 2 teachers down. Also, itd probably have to be single beds in different rooms, and also the bigger companies usually ask "will you relocate?" when you interview. So youre less flexible in that sense too |
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timothypfox
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 1:38 am Post subject: |
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| These kind of couple job things come up when there is school that needs to be run by the wife as a Japanese manager, and husband as the native English - English teacher. I will never say something is impossible, but a school advertising that they will hire a couple is not likely. |
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rtm
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| Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 2:09 am Post subject: Re: Applying for jobs as a couple? |
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| Ryks wrote: |
| Applying for jobs as a couple? |
One clarification question: Are you applying as a married couple, or just as 2 individuals who like each other? |
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Ryks
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 3:07 pm Post subject: Re: Applying for jobs as a couple? |
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| rtm wrote: |
| Ryks wrote: |
| Applying for jobs as a couple? |
One clarification question: Are you applying as a married couple, or just as 2 individuals who like each other? |
No not married but in a relationship. I've doe some further researching. Employers in Japan don't actually let a couple live together? If that is true, why? |
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rtm
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 6:22 pm Post subject: Re: Applying for jobs as a couple? |
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| Ryks wrote: |
| No not married but in a relationship. I've doe some further researching. Employers in Japan don't actually let a couple live together? If that is true, why? |
"In a relationship" has no legal meaning, and potential employers will see you as two individuals who, at this moment in time, seem to kind of like each other well enough, but might not tomorrow.
If the employer owns or leases the apartment, then they have every right to decide who lives there. They won't want non-employees living in the apartment. Also, they probably would not want 2 dating employees living together in case of a falling out. The company doesn't want to be in the middle of that.
If you do not live in company-provided housing (i.e., you find your housing on your own), then the company can't tell you who can and can't live with you. |
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Maitoshi
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| Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:59 pm Post subject: |
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| They can try |
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kzjohn
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I doubt any couple has ever been asked for their marriage papers, so one option is to do everything up to the point of saying your are married--imply it to the hilt. (create the illusion, imply but don't lie)
"Yes, we're a couple but haven't changed names." etc. |
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Ryks
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Kind of annoying really. I don't see the major difference between a long term relationship and marriage. Unless you have children people are just as likely to break up. |
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rxk22
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| Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Ryks wrote: |
| Kind of annoying really. I don't see the major difference between a long term relationship and marriage. Unless you have children people are just as likely to break up. |
Going through a divorce is legal procedure. You, as things are now, can break up, and it really wouldn't be financially all that painful, compared to divorcing. Though the divorce rate is much higher than it was years ago, i am sure it is much much lower than the break up rate. Even of that of people co habitating
If I were to hire, I wouldn't hire BF/GF couples. Esp coming here from abroad. I wouldn't be sure if they could survive the change, and stay a couple. Concern #1 for employers here, is bailing. I would worry about one or both of you bailing.
You have to see it from their side too. Does, you being a couple have any real benefits for them? Besides being convenient for you? Would you want to deal with potential awkwardness that could stem from a couple fighting? I think it would be less of a headache to hire two un related people, than put all my eggs in that keltte of fish. |
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jkozera
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| Posted: Sun Feb 15, 2015 11:58 am Post subject: |
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| applying as a couple may be hard as others had mentioned that it is not beneficial to an employer since they wouldn't save money at all. I personally am not dating for the reason of wanting to work abroad, it would just make too complicated but thats just me |
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