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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:15 am Post subject: |
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Martinaj wrote: |
I visited Japan in may, and my impression was that in spite of its reputation, cost of living is comparable to the US? |
In my experience living in Tokyo, the cost is fairly close to the US, until you go out to restaurants or drinking. Then it gets real expensive, real fast.
Not unusual to spend 10,000yen or more for a dinner and drinks. I never spend that much back in the US. Then again, I did live in a city of about 200,000 in Colorado. |
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steki47
Joined: 20 Apr 2008 Posts: 1029 Location: BFE Inaka
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Posted: Sat Feb 07, 2015 10:13 pm Post subject: |
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Master Shake wrote: |
Martinaj wrote: |
I visited Japan in may, and my impression was that in spite of its reputation, cost of living is comparable to the US? |
In my experience living in Tokyo, the cost is fairly close to the US, until you go out to restaurants or drinking. Then it gets real expensive, real fast.
Not unusual to spend 10,000yen or more for a dinner and drinks. I never spend that much back in the US. Then again, I did live in a city of about 200,000 in Colorado. |
I went in the opposite direction. I moved from NYC to rural Mie and was delighted by the low cost of everything. Cheap rent, going out to eat and drink 2-3x/week and still saving a bit every month. Apples and oranges, I realize. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:08 am Post subject: |
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Hello
Firstly, I think you've confused the JET salary, it has gone down in recent years.
According to the official JET website JETs are paid 3.36 Million Yen for their first year. That's 280,000 yen a month. I think some JET jobs give very cheap apartments to rent, but that's hit and miss.
Also, with JET, you're more likely to be stuck out in the country somewhere. Whereas with Boaderlink you'll likely be in a city, making it easier to find part time work and meet people etc.
Both have their advantages and dissadvantages, so be careful to make the right shoice for you.
A final word of warning, a friend of mine applied to JET, passed each step and was put on the emergency teachers list. She assumed that some teachers would leave and she'd definitely be able to get on the program that year. Needless to say, she didn't and was told that she would need to apply again if she wanted to work for JET in two years time.
The whole process from application to being told she definitely wasn't going to be working for JET took over a year and a half. She felt like JET had put her life in limbo for over a year and was quite annoyed at herself for putting all her eggs in one basket. |
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GambateBingBangBOOM
Joined: 04 Nov 2003 Posts: 2021 Location: Japan
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 12:11 am Post subject: |
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I would say wait for JET (if possible), because, as others have said, there are other jobs in Japan.
Remember though, by far the majority of JETs are in rural placements. It makes it harder to find a job in Japan after JET (and then if you were placed on a small island off of Okinawa, then it would be REALLY hard to get a job in Tokyo without more than a bit of Japanese and qualifications [B.Ed to teach an additional language or English literature / MA TESOL etc]. There aren't a whole lot of jobs available in Okinawa for foreigners) For me, it would still be worth it to wait for JET (especially if you speak a bit of Japanese already). I know a few former JETs who did education related postgraduate work after JET and then just came back to Japan. I know others who never left the country and did distance degrees in TESOL or Applied Ling. And I know some who left after the first year and never came back. |
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kzjohn
Joined: 30 Apr 2014 Posts: 277
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Posted: Mon Feb 09, 2015 9:57 am Post subject: |
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GambateBingBangBOOM wrote: |
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(and then if you were placed on a small island off of Okinawa, .... |
Do you mean like Zamami, Tokashiki, Amami, etc.? Miyako?
I wish it would happen to me! |
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marley'sghost
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 255
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 1:07 am Post subject: |
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"...life in limbo..." I remember the wait. The JET application, interview, and placement process is so long, it really does put everything else on hold for months and months. It was pretty nerve-wracking.
I was in a bit of a different situation though. I was working, just a whatever job, but I was not digging into my saving while waiting. If JET had not panned out, it just meant back to the stockroom on Monday and figure out a new plan.
I was surprised to see how far the salary has come down. It is still a lot better than what you'll make at Borderlink. There are some hidden costs too. JET will pay half your Japanese health and social insurance taxes. Employers are supposed to do that for all full time employees. Dispatch companies like Borderlink will say that you work only 29.5 hours a week or something to get around that. They will probably pay less during the summer too. That 28 man a month from JET is year round, whether you spend August coaching kids for a speech contest or on the beach in Thailand. And JET pays airfare. We went Business class in my day. I hear that is a thing of the past.
Borderlink will get you in Japan and if you need a job now, like right now, that might be what you have to do. You know your own situation best.
Once here, you can look for something better. Though I seriously doubt you'll land a direct hire ALT gig in your second year, but who knows?
It does seem like it would be a shame to go through all the work of applying to JET only to take a crappy dispatch job because of a couple months timing. Hope it all works out either way you go. |
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Master Shake
Joined: 03 Nov 2006 Posts: 1202 Location: Colorado, USA
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Posted: Tue Feb 10, 2015 10:33 am Post subject: The odds |
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One thing it would be really helpful to know is the stats of what percentage of interviewees from X country actually get JET placements. Even better if the stats were broken down by the interviewees qualifications, exp. etc..
Worth searching for, though I'm not gonna do it now... |
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Rooster.
Joined: 13 Mar 2012 Posts: 247
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kpjf

Joined: 18 Jan 2012 Posts: 385
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 9:25 am Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
Hello
I think some JET jobs give very cheap apartments to rent, but that's hit and miss. |
You mean the quality of the apartments or just the fact that not everyone gets subsidised housing? |
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cb400
Joined: 27 Sep 2010 Posts: 274 Location: Vientiane, Laos
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 10:28 am Post subject: |
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The Borderlink gig only pays 225,000 yen per month, |
That's insane! I was making 260 000 a month in 2004!
Its not worth living on that, is home that bad? Go for the better paying job or somewhere else. The romance of Japan quickly disappears when you need to scrimp and save every penny on minimum wage. |
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jkozera
Joined: 09 Jan 2015 Posts: 90
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:20 pm Post subject: |
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AEON is only 270,000 starting, with NOVA, i could only calc like maaaybe 200,000 a month looking at their contract. I could be wrong but that is like maybe$1800 USD a month and heck someone with just a HS diploma can make that here. seems like us language teachers are not as valued as we used to be
cb400 wrote: |
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The Borderlink gig only pays 225,000 yen per month, |
That's insane! I was making 260 000 a month in 2004!
Its not worth living on that, is home that bad? Go for the better paying job or somewhere else. The romance of Japan quickly disappears when you need to scrimp and save every penny on minimum wage. |
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marley'sghost
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 255
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Posted: Wed Feb 11, 2015 11:38 pm Post subject: |
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kpjf wrote: |
nightsintodreams wrote: |
Hello
I think some JET jobs give very cheap apartments to rent, but that's hit and miss. |
You mean the quality of the apartments or just the fact that not everyone gets subsidised housing? |
Most likely both.
When I was a JET, I heard of some JETs could get into subsidized housing. The city they worked in had a deal for public employees and counted the JETs in with them. There was a guy I was aquainted with that had it had a huge place, right in the middle of downtown, bright-lights, big-city for next to nothing. I on the other hand, went to the local rental agent with the head English teacher and hunt up my own.
The "JET" apartment, is often sort of a hand-me down. Often the previous teacher will cut a deal (for better or worse) with their replacement to sell them their appliances and furniture and things too.
But, yeah. The JET mantra is, "Every situation is different." That goes for your housing too.
cb400 wrote: |
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The Borderlink gig only pays 225,000 yen per month, |
That's insane! I was making 260 000 a month in 2004!
Its not worth living on that, is home that bad? Go for the better paying job or somewhere else. The romance of Japan quickly disappears when you need to scrimp and save every penny on minimum wage. |
I was making something like 290000 just ALTing. 2004-2006 I even got some raises and bonuses, maybe topped out at 320000. My current ALT gig is about 280000, and there is no way I could raise a family on just that, but I can get by with privates and some rental income added on. Before that private lessons were just gravy. If you have a family, it's getting really, really tough. Takes a lot of hustle just to make ends meet. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:19 am Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote:
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I think some JET jobs give very cheap apartments to rent, but that's hit and miss.
You mean the quality of the apartments or just the fact that not everyone gets subsidised housing? |
I meant that sometimes you don't get a subsidised apartment, but I'm sure the quality also varies considerably, in size and quality. |
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nightsintodreams
Joined: 18 May 2010 Posts: 558
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 7:22 am Post subject: |
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Another downside to JET is that you're forced to hang round with other JETS.
Although I have met some decent JET and ex-JETs in my time, the vast majority are so stuck up their own arse, it can be a challenge to occupy the same room as them at times. |
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marley'sghost
Joined: 04 Oct 2010 Posts: 255
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Posted: Thu Feb 12, 2015 11:37 pm Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
Another downside to JET is that you're forced to hang round with other JETS.
Although I have met some decent JET and ex-JETs in my time, the vast majority are so stuck up their own arse, it can be a challenge to occupy the same room as them at times. |
I was never "forced" too. I think we had a once a month meeting with the other JETs in my area. Nothing too painful to endure. I would not say the vast majority were "stuck up" but there was always at least one insufferable twit out of our group of 30-40. (There is always one isn't there......) I had dinner or an after-work pint every now and again with the few of my fellow JETs I made friends with, but we were pretty well left on our own.
Of course "every situation is different". At another near by BOE in the big city, they had a ton of JETs and a central "JET" office. I think they ended up being forced to suffer each others' company a great deal more than us small-town JETs. |
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