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rxk22



Joined: 19 May 2010
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PostPosted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 9:48 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

If your company is being annoying, why not try privates, or do Eikaiwa classes once or twice a week?


Seriously, us lifers here need to properly save and invest. Getting old here as an English teacher can be harsh. So save your nickles. I would recommend to all who plan on staying, to open a brokerage and put in 10,000 a month into it.
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timothypfox



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

What about work in a private high school? Many private junior and senior high schools these days need full-time native teachers to teach writing and English conversation. They are often solo teaching positions, so you can do more serious teaching of lessons from curriculum without so much of a dog and pony show. You won't have to answer to J colleagues as Eikaiwa will be regarded as it's own department.
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ssjup81



Joined: 15 Jun 2009
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Location: Adachi-ku, Tokyo, Japan

PostPosted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 5:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marley'sghost wrote:
ssjup81 wrote:
I'm sorry that I can't really share anything useful with the OP, but I just wanted to give my opinion on what rxk22 said regarding Eikaiwa.

I don't think there's really a "rule" for that. I just think that the teachers themselves get tired of the place and just go off to maybe find something better...unless the company itself decides that they don't want the person there anymore for whatever the reason. I mean, most places do yearly contracts only anyway.

Speaking of contracts, are there any companies (in general) that don't do the yearly contract thing? I mean this not only for ALT or Eikaiwa positions, but actual Japanese companies with Japanese employees/citizens. The yearly contract thing is just so strange to me given that back home, unless it's a temporary job with an actual end date, it doesn't seem to be a common practice. I've never encountered this except for here.

To the OP, sorry for jumping in with this question, but since it was mentioned about the unwritten 3 - 5 year rule thing, it made me curious.


Sorry, for jumping in with an answer. As of 2012 it's now the 5 year rule. It used to be 3. The Labor Contract Act makes it so that after 5 years of working under fixed term contracts, an employee can demand that they be made a permanent employee with an employment contract with no fixed term. About 25% of the natives are strung along on fixed term contracts too, not just us gaijin. As employers have to kick in for their permanent employees' health and pension insurance, not to mention those lovely Japanese yearly bonuses I hear about, a lot of companies just cut people loose after five years or wiggle through loopholes to avoid it. "Oh, those were not consecutive contracts... Oh, you only work 29.5 hours...etc. etc." Not unique to Japan either. Lifetime employment is dying out world wide.
Well, this isn't what I particularly meant. Only Japan, have I ever needed a contract to be renewed. Back home you sign a contract and you work with said company until you quit/resign, get laid off, or if you're fired. In other words, the jobs don't have end dates, unless it's a temp job. It's open-ended.

I find it unusual that my coworker who has many responsibilities from doing interviews, training teachers, teaching his classes, writing curriculums, etc., and works very hard, still has to do a yearly contract. He's married to a Japanese national with kids. Why give him only a one year contract when he's been with this company for so long and is the head teacher? A few years now. For me it's mind-boggling.
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jkozera



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 3:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssjup81 wrote:
marley'sghost wrote:
ssjup81 wrote:
I'm sorry that I can't really share anything useful with the OP, but I just wanted to give my opinion on what rxk22 said regarding Eikaiwa.

I don't think there's really a "rule" for that. I just think that the teachers themselves get tired of the place and just go off to maybe find something better...unless the company itself decides that they don't want the person there anymore for whatever the reason. I mean, most places do yearly contracts only anyway.

Speaking of contracts, are there any companies (in general) that don't do the yearly contract thing? I mean this not only for ALT or Eikaiwa positions, but actual Japanese companies with Japanese employees/citizens. The yearly contract thing is just so strange to me given that back home, unless it's a temporary job with an actual end date, it doesn't seem to be a common practice. I've never encountered this except for here.

To the OP, sorry for jumping in with this question, but since it was mentioned about the unwritten 3 - 5 year rule thing, it made me curious.


Sorry, for jumping in with an answer. As of 2012 it's now the 5 year rule. It used to be 3. The Labor Contract Act makes it so that after 5 years of working under fixed term contracts, an employee can demand that they be made a permanent employee with an employment contract with no fixed term. About 25% of the natives are strung along on fixed term contracts too, not just us gaijin. As employers have to kick in for their permanent employees' health and pension insurance, not to mention those lovely Japanese yearly bonuses I hear about, a lot of companies just cut people loose after five years or wiggle through loopholes to avoid it. "Oh, those were not consecutive contracts... Oh, you only work 29.5 hours...etc. etc." Not unique to Japan either. Lifetime employment is dying out world wide.
Well, this isn't what I particularly meant. Only Japan, have I ever needed a contract to be renewed. Back home you sign a contract and you work with said company until you quit/resign, get laid off, or if you're fired. In other words, the jobs don't have end dates, unless it's a temp job. It's open-ended.

I find it unusual that my coworker who has many responsibilities from doing interviews, training teachers, teaching his classes, writing curriculums, etc., and works very hard, still has to do a yearly contract. He's married to a Japanese national with kids. Why give him only a one year contract when he's been with this company for so long and is the head teacher? A few years now. For me it's mind-boggling.


keeps their options open, there is always the possiblity that someone younger, more attractive with an MA or PHD comes along and they can choose that person over that guy
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nightsintodreams



Joined: 18 May 2010
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Quite simple really, Not enough foreigners have been neutralized and given the right to vote. On top of that, Japanese people don't give a s--t about the rights of anyone who's not Japanese. Sad, but it's the truth.
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RM1983



Joined: 03 Jan 2007
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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 9:25 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Unfortunately this sort of rolling back of job security is going on all around. I saw an article recently that school teachers in the UK are seeing year-to-year contracts more frequently. My gf here works for a multinational company and they are down to only hiring temp staff. Zero hour contracts all over the shop.

It is everywhere, people are going to have to rethink how they build a life and security
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:04 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Actually, a lot of Japanese face the same issues as we do: limited contract work and PT status. It's partially because of the law's attempt to address this issue that almost all contract employment stipulates limited renewals or PT. When the law changed to require that full-time contracted employees must be given permanent FT status and treatment after X years, employers responded by cutting to PT and limited-term contract employment. While the intent of the law was purported to help make contract employees eligible for regular employment status, the law backfired and further screwed this group of employees by adding further insecurity to an already insecure employment situation.
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RM1983



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PostPosted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 11:33 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds familiar. Ten years ago after I graduated,I walked into a job at a large internet company in the UK. All temps. The rule at the time was something like after a year you have to be taken on full time. So, the agency simply "fired" you and rehired you over the weekend. Now, like I said zero hour contracts are not uncommon.

From what I have heard, this type of malarkey is quite common here now. My gf was amongst the last to be hired full-time where she is, they have more or less halted full-time recruitment (and this is a big company). The temps are experienced and capable, but with no chance of ever joining full-time. Apparently most are female too, so most of them write it off and become full-time mothers after they've saved a bit of cash.

Not too uncommon anywhere, as far as I know.

Actually when I started teaching I thought I might luck into an easy lifetime gig but that expectation was dead long before I moved here. It is kind of telling that lack of security is such a common complaint. Those getting into ESL now probably aren't even dreaming of a job-for-life type gig. Again, we are going to have to start thinking outside the box, in this job and in many others
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:09 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Still seems pointless that companies do one year contracts regardless if it's a foreigner or a Japanese. Still don't think this happens in the US unless it's an actual temporary job from the start. For part-time jobs or full-time jobs, you sign a contract once and that's it. You're stuck with that job until you're either fired, laid-off, or if you quit.
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rtm



Joined: 13 Apr 2007
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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

ssjup81 wrote:
Still don't think this happens in the US unless it's an actual temporary job from the start. For part-time jobs or full-time jobs, you sign a contract once and that's it. You're stuck with that job until you're either fired, laid-off, or if you quit.

I have a full-time teaching job in the US, and my contract is renewed every year.
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Tue Mar 03, 2015 5:59 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

rtm wrote:
ssjup81 wrote:
Still don't think this happens in the US unless it's an actual temporary job from the start. For part-time jobs or full-time jobs, you sign a contract once and that's it. You're stuck with that job until you're either fired, laid-off, or if you quit.

I have a full-time teaching job in the US, and my contract is renewed every year.
Well, I totally stand corrected. I wonder if it depends on the state. When I was assistant teaching, I had that situation but I was also a temp.
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