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Mushkilla
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| If you want to term that withdrawal defeat, then you'll have to do the same for the US and the failed operations in Afghanistan and Iraq. Police actions that are the direct cause of the current drama, in case you forget... |
For me, both the Soviet/Russian and the USA are two faces of the same coin, both invaded/occupied Afghanistan and Iraq (USA also invaded Vietnam) for their own agendas. At the end, both lost their wars. But, the Soviet invasion/occupation was more brutal with regard to human suffering - it was at a mega scale of a devil action!
It seems the Communists do not believe in miracles!  |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Sat Oct 11, 2014 2:46 pm Post subject: |
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| I find it hard to understand how anyone can say one conflict was more brutal than the other. Carpet bombing, and napalming Vietnamese villages somehow isn't quite as bad? Come on... |
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Hod
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| Posted: Thu Feb 26, 2015 11:46 pm Post subject: |
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| If today's BBC reports are to be believed, Jihadi John completed his CELTA in 2012. |
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steki47
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 4:23 am Post subject: |
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| Hod wrote: |
| If today's BBC reports are to be believed, Jihadi John completed his CELTA in 2012. |
A CELTA? That's it, kill him. |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Fri Feb 27, 2015 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Hod wrote: |
| If today's BBC reports are to be believed, Jihadi John completed his CELTA in 2012. |
I know that he at least wanted to teach English in Saudi Arabia. However he went to Somalia with his Shebab (or whatever the name the righteous warriors call themselves) friend. I think then to Kuwait where he was denied entrance or kicked out. After the British Security Forces got thru with him, Saudi Arabia didn't want to have anything to do with him. I guess they don't like radical Fundies. Something that could be raised here just out of absolute dislike for a guy like that is, when they catch him (they will and I can't wait) what should they do with him? That is really an evil guy. |
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Hod
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I'm not going to defend him, I'll leave that to that very odd CAGE spokesman, but Jihadi John isn't any worse than his so-called comrades. It's just that he's the messenger a lot of people would like to shoot.
On that note, I doubt he'd let himself be taken alive. No human can do and see such things without turning into a madman. The PTSD must be off the scale. Maybe CAGE would like to help, but it's all a bit late for that.
And not wishing to sound like the CAGE apologist, but if M15 and similar agencies elsewhere are being unnecessarily heavy handed, this needs to be checked. Jihadi John was probably never of sound mind to have ended up as he has, but other more reasonable types may be affected to a lesser degree and change from law abiding to less than ideal citizens. There’s the risk of becoming too liberal, but we should know a bit more about why the likes of Jihadi John ended up this way.
It’s all a bit odd. What is anyone doing about ISIS right now? I imagine infighting will soon develop, and maybe that’s what our governments are waiting for. It’s just so weird that everyone wanted to fight Saddam Hussein at the time but not ISIS now. Do they feel this situation can be contained within the borders of Syria and Iraq? |
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adaruby
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 1:34 am Post subject: |
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| Hod wrote: |
And not wishing to sound like the CAGE apologist, but if M15 and similar agencies elsewhere are being unnecessarily heavy handed, this needs to be checked. Jihadi John was probably never of sound mind to have ended up as he has, but other more reasonable types may be affected to a lesser degree and change from law abiding to less than ideal citizens. There’s the risk of becoming too liberal, but we should know a bit more about why the likes of Jihadi John ended up this way.
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He may be a seething, psychopathic madman hellbent on taking the world back to the 6th century but, really, we've only ourselves to blame for stopping him from watching a few zebras grazing in the grasslands of the Serengeti.
Poor chap.
There's some great writing in Michael Burleigh's book (below) on Islamic fundamentalism and it's clear that no matter what we do, there will always be a minority of Muslims who resent the west and wish for nothing more than its absolute destruction.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Blood-Rage-Cultural-history-Terrorism/dp/0007242255
Meanwhile, we have their apologists such as CAGE who clearly think that the resulting medieval brutality is also the fault of the imperialist west and its Zionist friends.  |
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Hod
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| Posted: Sat Feb 28, 2015 7:40 pm Post subject: |
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| adaruby wrote: |
He may be a seething, psychopathic madman hellbent on taking the world back to the 6th century but, really, we've only ourselves to blame for stopping him from watching a few zebras grazing in the grasslands of the Serengeti.
Poor chap. |
He must've really wanted to see those zebras if this is how he reacts.
The blame lies with Jihadi John and his mates for turning into psychos, but I don't see how M15 appears to be beyond reproach here when they've done such a cr4p job. |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Sun Mar 01, 2015 1:06 am Post subject: |
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| adaruby wrote: |
Meanwhile, we have their apologists such as CAGE who clearly think that the resulting medieval brutality is also the fault of the imperialist west and its Zionist friends. |
An opinion in the Economist magazine about the region was in the end that it is just a mean region. All the western help in the world will do nothing for the region, which is why Obama stalled in sending in jets etc. If you consider the fact that the Muslims that knew Jihadi John think that he was a wonderful nice person. The University he went to forced him to go to an anger management class because of his temper. Muslims are more likely to resort to group thinking. This of course leads to one religious group feeling that another group doesn't belong etc. |
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scot47
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| We should have done what Blair and Bush wanted. Oh, just a minute.......... |
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