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onomatopoeia
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 Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 3:33 am Post subject: best recruiters (teachaway, etc.) who place anywhere |
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Who's most trusted of all these recruiting sites like Teachaway, Footprints, etc.?
I need one that'll give me objective information such as a teaching position with enough free time to finish my M.Ed. Most recruiters won't know how much prep work's involved at a school, or don't care, and will tell me whatever I want to hear. Surely there are companies who have an interest in finding the right fit.
Like I'd be okay with a school on Guam or Easter Island so long as it meets this criteria. Do sites look for placements far and wide, not just a specific region like East Asia?
I have a US teacher certification for K-8, CELTA, BA, 2 years teaching experience, and 5 courses away from Masters in Education. |
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nomad soul
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| Since work hours are set by the client and not by the recruiter, your focus should be on the number of work hours stated on the job ads. So it seems your question is really about where you can teach part time or for X number of hours/days. |
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spiral78
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Just as a general tip, the majority of recruiters are for regions, and the even greater numbers of recruiters focus on Asia or the ME.
In much of the world, employers don't hire anyone sight-unseen; there are simply enough teachers around that they don't need to take a chance. This is true in Europe, most Anglophone countries, and I believe much of Latin America as well. Asia is about the only region outside of the Middle East that often hires from abroad.
So by relying on recruiters you are also limiting yourself to the regions where they operate. |
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MuscatGary
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| Sounds like you're planning to finish your Masters by distance and/or online mode. Be aware that this will mean it will not be accepted by many employers and even by a few entire countries! |
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En929
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| Posted: Sun Mar 15, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: Re: best recruiters (teachaway, etc.) who place anywhere |
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| onomatopoeia wrote: |
Who's most trusted of all these recruiting sites like Teachaway, Footprints, etc.?
I need one that'll give me objective information such as a teaching position with enough free time to finish my M.Ed. Most recruiters won't know how much prep work's involved at a school, or don't care, and will tell me whatever I want to hear. Surely there are companies who have an interest in finding the right fit.
Like I'd be okay with a school on Guam or Easter Island so long as it meets this criteria. Do sites look for placements far and wide, not just a specific region like East Asia?
I have a US teacher certification for K-8, CELTA, BA, 2 years teaching experience, and 5 courses away from Masters in Education. |
I just wanted to say that I'm almost in the SAME situation as you (except I don't have a CELTA). But, I myself am 4 courses away from a Master's Degree in Education, I have K-12 certification, 9 years of teaching experience. So thus, I too am taking notes with this question! |
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onomatopoeia
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| Sounds like you're planning to finish your Masters by distance and/or online mode. Be aware that this will mean it will not be accepted by many employers and even by a few entire countries! |
Hmm. that's concerning, but I don't think my program counts as an online degree.
It's a teachers certification program, which consists of 15 graduate level courses that were taken in the classroom (not online). Once completed we have the option to take five additional 500 level courses online to get the M.Ed. So the first 2/3 are in the classroom. The last 1/3 is online.
What do you think? Would this be recognized as online? |
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nomad soul
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| onomatopoeia wrote: |
| I need one that'll give me objective information such as a teaching position with enough free time to finish my M.Ed. |
How much time do you feel you need to devote to your coursework? Frankly, many full-time teachers (myself included) are/were able to work on their grad courses on their own time without breaking a sweat. So instead of trying to find a job with reduced hours, perhaps you need to reduce your course load to where it's manageable for you. Besides, there's no guarantee your work hours or workload won't increase; employers' priority is to the school/students. |
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En929
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Hmm. that's concerning, but I don't think my program counts as an online degree.
It's a teachers certification program, which consists of 15 graduate level courses that were taken in the classroom (not online). Once completed we have the option to take five additional 500 level courses online to get the M.Ed. So the first 2/3 are in the classroom. The last 1/3 is online.
What do you think? Would this be recognized as online? |
I'm in a program like this and took some courses online. But, if your program is similar to mine, then after I finished the courses, it didn't say whether I took the course online or not. That is, instead of saying "Teaching English to Speakers of other Languages Online" it only said "Teaching English to Speakers of other Languages." Thus, nobody ever knew  . Hence, one suggestion that I have is asking the school how would the course name appear on your transcript after you're done i.e. does it even reference whether you took the course online or not? |
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nomad soul
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| Sounds like you're planning to finish your Masters by distance and/or online mode. Be aware that this will mean it will not be accepted by many employers and even by a few entire countries! |
I don't think my program counts as an online degree.
It's a teachers certification program, which consists of 15 graduate level courses that were taken in the classroom (not online). Once completed we have the option to take five additional 500 level courses online to get the M.Ed. So the first 2/3 are in the classroom. The last 1/3 is online.
What do you think? Would this be recognized as online? |
It depends on where you expect to teach. MG is likely referring to countries like Qatar, Saudi Arabia, and Kuwait, where degrees with any online coursework aren't accepted in terms of getting a work visa. (That would include your M.Ed.) It gets confirmed with the applicant's university registrar. There may be other countries with this requirement. |
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rtm
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| onomatopoeia wrote: |
I don't think my program counts as an online degree.
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five additional 500 level courses online to get the M.Ed.
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What do you think? Would this be recognized as online? |
Countries that don't accept degrees that involved online coursework will not accept your degree because... it involved online coursework.
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...instead of saying "Teaching English to Speakers of other Languages Online" it only said "Teaching English to Speakers of other Languages." Thus, nobody ever knew . Hence, one suggestion that I have is asking the school how would the course name appear on your transcript after you're done i.e. does it even reference whether you took the course online or not? |
If you list on your CV that you are working in, say, Vietnam while you are simultaneously taking classes at Northwest Idaho University, it's not hard to figure out that they were online. Also, I've read on the Saudi Arabia forum that the Saudi gov requires your university to fill out a form stating how much of the degree was earned via online coursework.
Not everyplace is like this, of course, and many places in the world won't care if your degree is earned online. However, some countries and employers do care, so if you have some places in the world that you are interested in teaching in, you might want to explore the situation there so that you don't handicap yourself inadvertently. |
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MuscatGary
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Hmm. that's concerning, but I don't think my program counts as an online degree.
It's a teachers certification program, which consists of 15 graduate level courses that were taken in the classroom (not online). Once completed we have the option to take five additional 500 level courses online to get the M.Ed. So the first 2/3 are in the classroom. The last 1/3 is online.
What do you think? Would this be recognized as online? |
I'm in a program like this and took some courses online. But, if your program is similar to mine, then after I finished the courses, it didn't say whether I took the course online or not. That is, instead of saying "Teaching English to Speakers of other Languages Online" it only said "Teaching English to Speakers of other Languages." Thus, nobody ever knew . Hence, one suggestion that I have is asking the school how would the course name appear on your transcript after you're done i.e. does it even reference whether you took the course online or not? |
They often ask for the full transcript which would indicate the modality of the courses plus any discrepancy on your cv location and university location would be picked up. Doesn't apply to everywhere but does apply to some of the better paying places. |
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En929
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They often ask for the full transcript which would indicate the modality of the courses plus any discrepancy on your cv location and university location would be picked up. Doesn't apply to everywhere but does apply to some of the better paying places. |
Even on my transcript it doesn't say how I took the course. It only says "Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages" i.e. the name of the course. |
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onomatopoeia
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| Sounds like you're planning to finish your Masters by distance and/or online mode. Be aware that this will mean it will not be accepted by many employers and even by a few entire countries! |
What counties won't recognize my degree other than Saudi Arabia?
Keep in mind my M.Ed isn't an online program. Only the last semester will have been taken remotely.
Someone mentioned that the good schools don't recognize degrees with online coursework. Would that include most international schools in places like Europe and Japan? |
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nomad soul
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| En929 wrote: |
| Even on my transcript it doesn't say how I took the course. It only says "Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages" i.e. the name of the course. |
This is about nonacceptance of academic degrees with online coursework and not TEFL certificate courses. However, some employers don't acknowledge TEFL certs that included online instruction either.
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What counties won't recognize my degree other than Saudi Arabia?
Keep in mind my M.Ed isn't an online program. Only the last semester will have been taken remotely.
Someone mentioned that the good schools don't recognize degrees with online coursework. Would that include most international schools in places like Europe and Japan? |
As I mentioned previously, the governments of KSA, Qatar (since 2012), and Kuwait will not issue a work/employment visa to applicants whose qualifying degree included online coursework. However, regulations can and do change. So if the visa regulations for your target countries don't distinguish between degrees with online coursework and those completed fully on campus, then you should be fine unless the employer states otherwise. As for Europe and Japan, you might post on those forums as well as on International Schools Review. |
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En929
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This is about nonacceptance of academic degrees with online coursework and not TEFL certificate courses. However, some employers don't acknowledge TEFL certs that included online instruction either.
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That's exactly what I was talking about. In my Master's degree program (not the TEFL certification program that I mentioned), it had various online courses and when I finished the courses, none of them indicated whether I took them online or not; neither on my transcript, DARS report or otherwise. It just said "Teaching English to Speakers of Other Languages" or whatever the course that I took was. |
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