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In the future when there is no need for English Teachers
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 08, 2015 7:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buravirgil wrote:
NomadSoul wrote:
Anyway, I doubt even you believe that by 2065, most teachers will still only be using a basic whiteboard and markers to teach (or worse, a blackboard, colored chalk, and dusty erasers).

Even you?
You seem offended by a difference of opinion about what you claim is a clarification. And I am aware of what the subject of the thread is. The latter section of my last post explicitly addresses the future of ESL, teachers and technology.

If that's the case, I apologize. Few other posters saw the OP for more than the opportunity to make a joke. Not that we don't need jokes!

My response was to both you and AGoodStory. But I wasn't offended at all nor being snarky; that particular comment was meant to be lighthearted. (I thought the "blackboard, colored chalk, and dusty erasers" would be a giveaway.) So no need for you to apologize.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 09, 2015 11:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I had a supervisor in Saudi who would give extra marks in evaluations to teachers who used COLOURED chalk !
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cmp45



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 2:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
I had a supervisor in Saudi who would give extra marks in evaluations to teachers who used COLOURED chalk !


Using colored chalk is good; using color is more interesting than just white chalk. Although it depends on how many colors and how it is being utilized.

Would it be any different today using colors with a smart board?

perhaps a nod to the olden days

PS: Scott drop that useless 'u'

Sorry for not participating in the OP's guessing game.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I am all for Simplified Spelling, but I await an International Commission to introduce it.
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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 10, 2015 4:53 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I came across this six-month-old article from TheEconomist that addresses the OPs premise more than its direct query.
My reading of it, with its use of the term "elite", supports Sashadroogie's "Rome" interpretation more than my own assertion, not that it matters to me.Wink
    HOW would you rank “important” languages? If asked to rattle them off, many people start with English, but after that are reluctant to go further. Important how, they ask. One approach would be to look at people and money: surely a language is important if it is spoken by lots of people, in countries with great wealth (and presumably, therefore, power).

    But in December came a new approach. A group of scholars* approached the task by first looking at how languages are connected to one another, rather than viewing them in isolation. They then decided to see if this was a good predictor of how many famous people spoke a given language. If a language is well connected to others (a “hub” language with many bilinguals), its speakers will tend to be famous. And the names of the connected languages turn out to be rather interesting.
Greater focus and detail in the link.
Language Networks
When bigger isn't better
Dec 31st 2014
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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 8:32 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chalk is an example of technology in the form teachers use it, so are pens, tables, chairs, light bulbs. ... I could go on but despair at how many educated people confuse educational technology with computers. Actually whiteboard markers are space age technology!
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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Sat Apr 11, 2015 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MuscatGary wrote:
Chalk is an example of technology in the form teachers use it, so are pens, tables, chairs, light bulbs. ... I could go on but despair at how many educated people confuse educational technology with computers. Actually whiteboard markers are space age technology!


I don't feel excepted from this "despair" you mention.
Such a reductionist reading could proceed further to argue written language is a technology (not greatly disputed) or, as Sapir has (and been disputed), language itself. Given your proclivity for despair, however, I fear for your very survival. Light bulbs? I'm unsure anyone in this thread has conflated the necessities of a learning environment with educational technology, as you have.

Now that I've addressed a tone that seems to deign to contribute...

I support your assertion...I'm a HUGE fan of etymology and there's much to consider with technology and technique... ever since PCs were dumped into classrooms with little or no plan for implementation (and there are reasons for that) the pattern has continued...though, personally, I'm a proponent of affording this policy...what the tech makers sell to a greater base, by all means, put it into the classrooms and see what happens...nobody has a crystal ball
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MuscatGary



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 5:21 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Part of the problem, a big part, is that technology is often imposed on teachers without training to know how, and when, to use it. Perhaps the best example is the expensive coat hangers known as interactive whiteboards. Without training they are useless but employers seem happy to spend money on equipment but not on training. Many teachers that I've trained over the last few years were unaware of the advanced features of Word such as the readability function and even of track changes. Even more were hostile to technology as they felt it was being imposed without any rationale. Btw I put my hands up and admit to being an educational technologist!
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 6:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

MuscatGary wrote:
Part of the problem, a big part, is that technology is often imposed on teachers without training to know how, and when, to use it.
....

Even more were hostile to technology as they felt it was being imposed without any rationale.

Amen!
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Lack



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 12, 2015 10:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Within the next 10 or so years I think the market will continue becoming more restrictive in what it requires from applicants, although if demand continues outstripping supply of qualified teachers (globally) there may continue to be opportunities for the backpacker-fakes for a while yet.

Within 50 years, I could see countries gaining a huge amount of English proficiency and just using their own English speakers to teach it and phase out native English speaking teachers. Wages would go down for what jobs do remain for natives.

In the more distant future, perhaps English will go the way of Latin - break up and become other languages while itself dying out. The language would then shift to being used primarily by academics, scientists, etc. like Latin before it. If English doesn't break apart, I predict it would be because there is much technology in play. So many people around the world speak English that even if the Anglo-sphere countries died out, many other countries would likely carry on with their own forms of English which would remain familiar for a long time. And this, in turn, would largely depend on politics. (For example, the 20th century was about globalization. In a future post-globalization world, perhaps nationalism will reassert itself and most countries will wish to return to their roots. But we're in sci-fi territory here.)

Ah, I often think of how great it would be to have a time machine and hop back to 1995 for TEFL adventures. Maybe even just any year before the 2007/2008 financial crisis, but after 1990.
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LongShiKong



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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 2:41 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Lack wrote:
I often think of how great it would be to have a time machine and hop back to 1995 for TEFL adventures.


Welcome to Dave's. Laughing
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PostPosted: Fri May 01, 2015 5:34 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

1995? How about 1978? Very Happy

Regards,
John
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

1973 would suit me. I was in the full of the vigour of youth and drinking like a fish.

Er, on second thoughts. Cancel that !
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
1973 would suit me. I was in the full of the vigour of youth and drinking like a fish.

Er, on second thoughts. Cancel that !


Too late! As per your request...

__Nineteen Hundred and Seventy-three__
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PostPosted: Sun May 03, 2015 5:36 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

What have I DONE !?
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