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bograt
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There are exactly 0 TEFL jobs in the UK that pay 200-250RMB an hour after taxes. Most people in TEFL in the UK are on zero hours contracts earning about 90RMB per class. The private lessons that you're alluding too simply don't exist - the customer themselves is rarely paying to be educated, it's mostly the government paying on the basis of helping them learn the language and 'integrate' into society. There's no way random foreigners are paying 200rmb for some white guy to chat to their kid for an hour.
If you actually believe there's the earning potential for TEFL in the UK that there is in China, you must have been dropped on your head multiple times as a kid. Sorry, but it's true. Only a complete spastic would think teaching TEFL in the UK is a good career move. |
Again you're arguing like a child. You said there was no demand for ESL teachers in the UK, I said there was. Show me where I said these jobs paid better than China, consisted of private lessons or were good career moves. Yet you call me a 'spastic' - no doubt in an attempt to show how coolly un PC you are. |
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wangdaning
Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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| I could save roughly 9,000 pounds a year, but have a baby and wife. |
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happyinshangqiu
Joined: 20 Jan 2015
Posts: 279
Location: Has specialist qualifications AND local contacts.
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You just don't get it.
It's not necessarily that accountants, lawyers etc are going to fly over to China and ditch their careers. Rather, I'm comparing the remuneration of real jobs, requiring actual hard work, real qualifications, and experience in an actual demanding work environment, with the remuneration of China ESL. |
But in your first post (correct me if I am wrong) you said these people were going to come here and squeeze out the losers from their green patch? Why? If they haven't got related qualifications then they are going to be at the same level as Poli Sci graduate from Pheonix. I know that is hard to comprehend but a non-related qualification is exactly that.
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| Common sense would dictate the job requiring more qualifications, more experience, more intelligence, and increased demands would also translate to a (much) higher remuneration than some idiot who would be flipping burgers back home teaching kids 'my name is...'. |
So, they could walk into pilot training at British Airways, or Goldman Sachs in the City of London? Course they couldn't - it isn't how it works - all those qualities doesn't mean they are going to be successful in China - you have to be tough mentally to live here - just go over to the British expats forum and read the many posts of people who cannot hack Australia or New Zealand because the weetabix doesn't taste the same or the TV is worse or some other stupid irrelevant crap - you think that we living in China is something anyone can do? I'll challenge any of these wannabe Marco Polo's to come and live with me in Shangqiu - sure, some will hack it, most won't.
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| Right now, it doesn't. The ESL'er, providing he's not a lazy do-gooder and knows his market value, can take the same home after taxes and rent as the accountant, and save much more thanks to China costing less to live in for everything else. This is a guy who would most likely be stacking shelves, flipping burgers, or working some menial admin office job back home. |
What's wrong with stacking shelves and flipping burgers? It's all honest work. I would do that than be a proud but starving beggar?
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| Conclusion - ESL remuneration in China and the savings potential is artificially high. One day people will wake up to this. It will take a while, but it will happen, so you need to be squeezing every last yuan out of the Chinese now while they're still under the delusion that 200-250rmb an hour is a fair amount for a white guy to have a chat with them. |
The one thing you aren't taking into account is that China is a hard place to live for most westerners.
Most westerners cannot hack this place, hell! Most of them have their issues with Korea and Japan.
As for 'having a chat' with students, I do a lot more than 'have a chat' with them - don't know about you, though. |
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