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Brunouno
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| VietCanada wrote: |
| I'm in my fifties. I threw out a few (15) resumes last week and got hired, interviewed by five companies and offered classes by three. I wouldn't even give the time of day to anyone who's starting pay was less than $20 an hour. |
Just out of curiosity, why is it that pretty much every few months I see you're looking for a new job. Most of your posts are about looking for new work. I've had the same job for the past 3 years.
Do you still find a lot of places willing to hire you when you jump around jobs so much? |
I have much better questions that are going to actually be productive and help you reflect. Why do you use the present continuous to talk about permanent habits, and why don't you know when to use question marks properly after 3 years of teaching? |
The grammar in his post is fine. There is a big difference between what you teach grade school kids and what is acceptable in English. The only thing you could be critical of is his use of a period instead of a question mark, but then again we're here writing on an internet forum and not for the Wall Street Journal. |
Fine based on what? Everyone from a cleaner to a CEO have different definitions of what's 'acceptable in English'. If he applied for a job at McDonald's with grammar like that, sure, it would probably be acceptable. What about if he applied for a job at the British Council?
This is why Western TESOL materials and pedagogy are based on codified data rather than subjective assumptions. |
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EFL Educator
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YES I know of several English teachers who previously were employed as cleaners at McDonalds and KFC restaurants...but having a 120 Hour TEFL certificate in hand completely changed their lives...they are now happily teaching English in Ho Chi Minh City and in Hanoi..and are native English speakers!  |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:35 am Post subject: |
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Fine based on what? Everyone from a cleaner to a CEO have different definitions of what's 'acceptable in English'. If he applied for a job at McDonald's with grammar like that, sure, it would probably be acceptable. What about if he applied for a job at the British Council?
This is why Western TESOL materials and pedagogy are based on codified data rather than subjective assumptions. |
I wondered why you decided to pick a fight with me over something so inconsequential, so I looked at your post history. You're the guy who was called out for calling the local Vietnamese "dogs" a few months back and subsequently got suspended from the forums for awhile.
It's petty to hold a grudge. Almost as petty as critiquing grammar, punctuation, or spelling on an internet forum.
This isn't a job application, and I can't help but think that your frustrations with the local people and culture are why you're lashing out unnecessarily at others. You should find better ways to deal with your personal problems. |
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Brunouno
Joined: 18 Apr 2013
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:18 pm Post subject: |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
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Fine based on what? Everyone from a cleaner to a CEO have different definitions of what's 'acceptable in English'. If he applied for a job at McDonald's with grammar like that, sure, it would probably be acceptable. What about if he applied for a job at the British Council?
This is why Western TESOL materials and pedagogy are based on codified data rather than subjective assumptions. |
I wondered why you decided to pick a fight with me over something so inconsequential, so I looked at your post history. You're the guy who was called out for calling the local Vietnamese "dogs" a few months back and subsequently got suspended from the forums for awhile.
It's petty to hold a grudge. Almost as petty as critiquing grammar, punctuation, or spelling on an internet forum.
This isn't a job application, and I can't help but think that your frustrations with the local people and culture are why you're lashing out unnecessarily at others. You should find better ways to deal with your personal problems. |
Thank you. You have confirmed that cognitive deficiencies are at play here by still thinking that I called them dogs. Moreover, you couldn't even remember and needed to resort to searching through old posts.
I don't know why you're getting defensive and creating stories (I've never been suspended since joining  ). I'm just trying to help guide you in the right direction for both you and your students. Your errors were clearly mistakes, and not slips, so it doesn't matter that you weren't applying for a job. We both know that you researched the grammar that was mentioned, and you've now become a better teacher because of it. If this is your weird way of saying thank you, well, you're welcome. 
Looking forward to your predictable reply,
Brunouno.
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 3:38 pm Post subject: |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
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| I'm in my fifties. I threw out a few (15) resumes last week and got hired, interviewed by five companies and offered classes by three. I wouldn't even give the time of day to anyone who's starting pay was less than $20 an hour. |
Just out of curiosity, why is it that pretty much every few months I see you're looking for a new job. Most of your posts are about looking for new work. I've had the same job for the past 3 years.
Do you still find a lot of places willing to hire you when you jump around jobs so much? |
I've worked for three companies for three years. I'm going on four for a current company. I usually work for two companies at a time. One for public schools during the school year and another for evening and weekend work.
I currently work for three companies- public school during the week, kids on the weekends and adults in the evenings.
I have three pending interviews and two offers to teach classes now. I have no free time for these companies so I will tell them that.
In about two months my public school work will finish. If I am not satisfied with the hours I am getting, I will re-engage the schools that offered me summer work.
Working here is a bit crazy. At my current evening class I usually arrive at least 10 minutes early, never less than that. One day I arrived just on time. They messaged me to come 10 minutes early the next day. I was tempted to blow them off and accept one of the other offers. I didn't because it's better the devil you know. I've noticed the other teachers consistently arriving just in time or a little late.
In Korea I had a new job every year, for five years. I liked that.
I'd love to latch on to someone forever but I don't believe that's possible here. Just ask the RMIT teachers about that.
As for me looking for a new job every few months- that is just not even remotely true. I handed out about 15 - 20 resumes two years ago and then this year just because I wanted to get new offers. I have no idea where you would get that idea.
I give advice to job seekers based on my personal experience and sometimes on other peoples experience. You are probably confused by that. |
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ExpatLuke
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| Brunouno wrote: |
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| Brunouno wrote: |
Fine based on what? Everyone from a cleaner to a CEO have different definitions of what's 'acceptable in English'. If he applied for a job at McDonald's with grammar like that, sure, it would probably be acceptable. What about if he applied for a job at the British Council?
This is why Western TESOL materials and pedagogy are based on codified data rather than subjective assumptions. |
I wondered why you decided to pick a fight with me over something so inconsequential, so I looked at your post history. You're the guy who was called out for calling the local Vietnamese "dogs" a few months back and subsequently got suspended from the forums for awhile.
It's petty to hold a grudge. Almost as petty as critiquing grammar, punctuation, or spelling on an internet forum.
This isn't a job application, and I can't help but think that your frustrations with the local people and culture are why you're lashing out unnecessarily at others. You should find better ways to deal with your personal problems. |
Thank you. You have confirmed that cognitive deficiencies are at play here by still thinking that I called them dogs. Moreover, you couldn't even remember and needed to resort to searching through old posts.
I don't know why you're getting defensive and creating stories (I've never been suspended since joining ). I'm just trying to help guide you in the right direction for both you and your students. Your errors were clearly mistakes, and not slips, so it doesn't matter that you weren't applying for a job. We both know that you researched the grammar that was mentioned, and you've now become a better teacher because of it. If this is your weird way of saying thank you, well, you're welcome.
Looking forward to your predictable reply,
Brunouno. |
Haha... This is just comedy gold right here. I don't know if I've ever met someone so full of themselves before. No wonder you clash with the local culture. |
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ExpatLuke
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| VietCanada wrote: |
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| I'm in my fifties. I threw out a few (15) resumes last week and got hired, interviewed by five companies and offered classes by three. I wouldn't even give the time of day to anyone who's starting pay was less than $20 an hour. |
Just out of curiosity, why is it that pretty much every few months I see you're looking for a new job. Most of your posts are about looking for new work. I've had the same job for the past 3 years.
Do you still find a lot of places willing to hire you when you jump around jobs so much? |
I've worked for three companies for three years. I'm going on four for a current company. I usually work for two companies at a time. One for public schools during the school year and another for evening and weekend work.
I currently work for three companies- public school during the week, kids on the weekends and adults in the evenings.
I have three pending interviews and two offers to teach classes now. I have no free time for these companies so I will tell them that.
In about two months my public school work will finish. If I am not satisfied with the hours I am getting, I will re-engage the schools that offered me summer work.
Working here is a bit crazy. At my current evening class I usually arrive at least 10 minutes early, never less than that. One day I arrived just on time. They messaged me to come 10 minutes early the next day. I was tempted to blow them off and accept one of the other offers. I didn't because it's better the devil you know. I've noticed the other teachers consistently arriving just in time or a little late.
In Korea I had a new job every year, for five years. I liked that.
I'd love to latch on to someone forever but I don't believe that's possible here. Just ask the RMIT teachers about that.
As for me looking for a new job every few months- that is just not even remotely true. I handed out about 15 - 20 resumes two years ago and then this year just because I wanted to get new offers. I have no idea where you would get that idea.
I give advice to job seekers based on my personal experience and sometimes on other peoples experience. You are probably confused by that. |
Fair enough. You don't ever run into any legal trouble in working at multiple locations? Do your employers know you work for other schools? Does the school sponsoring your work permit stipulate you can't work for a competing school? |
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Brunouno
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| Posted: Wed Apr 15, 2015 7:31 am Post subject: |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| Brunouno wrote: |
| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| Brunouno wrote: |
Fine based on what? Everyone from a cleaner to a CEO have different definitions of what's 'acceptable in English'. If he applied for a job at McDonald's with grammar like that, sure, it would probably be acceptable. What about if he applied for a job at the British Council?
This is why Western TESOL materials and pedagogy are based on codified data rather than subjective assumptions. |
I wondered why you decided to pick a fight with me over something so inconsequential, so I looked at your post history. You're the guy who was called out for calling the local Vietnamese "dogs" a few months back and subsequently got suspended from the forums for awhile.
It's petty to hold a grudge. Almost as petty as critiquing grammar, punctuation, or spelling on an internet forum.
This isn't a job application, and I can't help but think that your frustrations with the local people and culture are why you're lashing out unnecessarily at others. You should find better ways to deal with your personal problems. |
Thank you. You have confirmed that cognitive deficiencies are at play here by still thinking that I called them dogs. Moreover, you couldn't even remember and needed to resort to searching through old posts.
I don't know why you're getting defensive and creating stories (I've never been suspended since joining ). I'm just trying to help guide you in the right direction for both you and your students. Your errors were clearly mistakes, and not slips, so it doesn't matter that you weren't applying for a job. We both know that you researched the grammar that was mentioned, and you've now become a better teacher because of it. If this is your weird way of saying thank you, well, you're welcome.
Looking forward to your predictable reply,
Brunouno. |
Haha... This is just comedy gold right here. I don't know if I've ever met someone so full of themselves before. No wonder you clash with the local culture. |
I don't have any clashes with the culture, but I'll let you know when I start comparing them to Chinese people in a derogatory way. I remember you doing this, and I didn't even need to use the search tool. |
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VietCanada
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| VietCanada wrote: |
| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| VietCanada wrote: |
| I'm in my fifties. I threw out a few (15) resumes last week and got hired, interviewed by five companies and offered classes by three. I wouldn't even give the time of day to anyone who's starting pay was less than $20 an hour. |
Just out of curiosity, why is it that pretty much every few months I see you're looking for a new job. Most of your posts are about looking for new work. I've had the same job for the past 3 years.
Do you still find a lot of places willing to hire you when you jump around jobs so much? |
I've worked for three companies for three years. I'm going on four for a current company. I usually work for two companies at a time. One for public schools during the school year and another for evening and weekend work.
I currently work for three companies- public school during the week, kids on the weekends and adults in the evenings.
I have three pending interviews and two offers to teach classes now. I have no free time for these companies so I will tell them that.
In about two months my public school work will finish. If I am not satisfied with the hours I am getting, I will re-engage the schools that offered me summer work.
Working here is a bit crazy. At my current evening class I usually arrive at least 10 minutes early, never less than that. One day I arrived just on time. They messaged me to come 10 minutes early the next day. I was tempted to blow them off and accept one of the other offers. I didn't because it's better the devil you know. I've noticed the other teachers consistently arriving just in time or a little late.
In Korea I had a new job every year, for five years. I liked that.
I'd love to latch on to someone forever but I don't believe that's possible here. Just ask the RMIT teachers about that.
As for me looking for a new job every few months- that is just not even remotely true. I handed out about 15 - 20 resumes two years ago and then this year just because I wanted to get new offers. I have no idea where you would get that idea.
I give advice to job seekers based on my personal experience and sometimes on other peoples experience. You are probably confused by that. |
Fair enough. You don't ever run into any legal trouble in working at multiple locations? Do your employers know you work for other schools? Does the school sponsoring your work permit stipulate you can't work for a competing school? |
No. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 12:52 pm Post subject: |
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| YES I know of several English teachers who previously were employed as cleaners at McDonalds and KFC restaurants...but having a 120 Hour TEFL certificate in hand completely changed their lives...they are now happily teaching English in Ho Chi Minh City and in Hanoi..and are native English speakers! |
Haven't you heard? Getting a certificate to teach adults is the new answer to all that ails the unemployed. A $1500 CELTA + airfare ($1500) + 2 months (~ $2000) living expenses is the new $150 online TEFL. Just ask the CELTA examiners who are members of this board. |
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Sashadroogie
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What exactly do you mean by Celta 'examiner'? There is no such job title, to my knowledge. There are Celta trainers. Perhaps that's what you meant?There are even external assessors. But I doubt that that is what you meant.
What did you mean? It is so hard to make out, what with all the bile and anguish that lace your posts. |
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VietCanada
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What exactly do you mean by Celta 'examiner'? There is no such job title, to my knowledge. There are Celta trainers. Perhaps that's what you meant?There are even external assessors. But I doubt that that is what you meant.
What did you mean? It is so hard to make out, what with all the bile and anguish that lace your posts. |
http://www.cambridgeenglish.org/teaching-english/become-a-cambridge-english-examiner/
It would appear that even CELTA doesn't require a CELTA under certain circumstances.
"*An applicant may be exempt either from the formal teaching qualification or from the first degree/equivalent requirement (but not both) if they can provide evidence of considerable relevant teaching experience supported by positive references." |
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VietCanada
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What exactly do you mean by Celta 'examiner'? There is no such job title, to my knowledge. There are Celta trainers. Perhaps that's what you meant?There are even external assessors. But I doubt that that is what you meant.
What did you mean? It is so hard to make out, what with all the bile and anguish that lace your posts. |
And yet it's you, a teacher in Moscow that would follow me to the Vietnam forum where I teach because of a debate in the Newbie Forum.
Have you no pride other than earning a CELTA? |
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Sashadroogie
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Oh, dear.
Seems to be lots of confusion about what Celta is and isn't. There is no such thing as a Celta examiner. OK? There are Cambridge examiners. Not the same things as Celta trainers.
Your posts might have more credibility if you even knew what you were knocking.
And I don't have a Celta, by the way. |
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VietCanada
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Oh, dear.
Seems to be lots of confusion about what Celta is and isn't. There is no such thing as a Celta examiner. OK? There are Cambridge examiners. Not the same things as Celta trainers.
Your posts might have more credibility if you even knew what you were knocking.
And I don't have a Celta, by the way. |
No pride then. OK.
It's the first thing that comes up when I search for CELTA examiner. There are also links to Linkedin members calling themselves CELTA examiners. Your petty argument is with Google and them. But keep poking. I'm sure you'll get something for your efforts. Maybe you should return to the Newbie Forum where other posters are defending on-line and non-CELTA certs.
Your buddies need you there. You're wasting precious time here.
CELTA- You're either with us or agin us. |
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