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VietCanada
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
I am not a 'pusher' of Celta, sorry.
Those who fail the Celta feel it is a scam? Hardly surprising.
Celta is not a job placement agency. Anyone who does the slightest bit of research should be able to see that. |
That's clearly disingenuous if that's what you claim to have gotten from reading my post.
The rest is just more sales pitch. Wow. I expected more.
Tell me, is it "We're open from 10 to 11." or "We open from 10 to 11."
EDIT: If you make money from being a CELTA or DELTA examiner or in any other way, shape or form, in any connection whatsoever with those programs then by any professional standard you should say so in any post in which you recommend that someone take those courses or even comment on the programs.
None of you do that. Is that honest or ethical? To not do so demeans this board and the programs you push. |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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| Stop telling people that a CELTA guarantees good money. It's not even a tiny part of the picture in SE Asia. That's the scam I see here on this board. Europe yeah, I believe that. SE Asia, the middle east and parts of N. Africa? No. Absolutely no. Stop claiming that CELTA has any relevance to an entry level position outside of Europe. That's pure BS. Quite frankly I believe any degree holder with sufficient corporate experience could get hired in Europe. |
I don't recall anyone ever saying that a CELTA guarantees good money. Can you copy and paste that, along with the poster's forum name?
And you are absolutely incorrect that 'any degree holder with sufficient corporate experience could get hired in Europe.' Try it  |
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:23 pm Post subject: |
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| Stop telling people that a CELTA guarantees good money. It's not even a tiny part of the picture in SE Asia. That's the scam I see here on this board. Europe yeah, I believe that. SE Asia, the middle east and parts of N. Africa? No. Absolutely no. Stop claiming that CELTA has any relevance to an entry level position outside of Europe. That's pure BS. Quite frankly I believe any degree holder with sufficient corporate experience could get hired in Europe. |
I don't recall anyone ever saying that a CELTA guarantees good money. Can you copy and paste that, along with the poster's forum name?
And you are absolutely incorrect that 'any degree holder with sufficient corporate experience could get hired in Europe.' Try it |
I did about 6 years ago. My 15 years of running my own import/export/ retail/wholesale outlet on a busy street in Canada's biggest city got me a few offers. I declined because I made much more in Korea for much less effort than is required to live and work in Europe.
As for your other remark, yes I am certainly used to being lead on tangents to discredit the only point I'm trying to make here. (Transparency- reveal if you make money or have made money in any way from people paying for that program. That includes taking the course and getting a job.). Please explain to me how paying as much as $5000 to take that Teaching Adults program in any way benefits you in getting a job teaching children in SE Asia or getting a job in the middle east, north Africa or any other country that requires an actual teaching certification and teaching experience from your own country.
Then we can talk.
EDIT: People aren't stupid. They are perfectly capable of fact checking on their own. |
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spiral78
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| I did about 6 years ago. My 15 years of running my own import/export/ retail/wholesale outlet on a busy street in Canada's biggest city got me a few offers. I declined because I made much more in Korea for much less effort than is required to live and work in Europe. |
Nobody doubts that a few people without CELTA/equivalent get basic job offers in Europe. I know a couple myself. I object to the generalization that 'ANY degree holder with sufficient corporate experience can get hired in Europe.' I've been here 17 years. It's not true.
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| Please explain to me how paying as much as $5000 to take that Teaching Adults program in any way benefits you in getting a job teaching children in SE Asia or getting a job in the middle east, north Africa or any other country that requires an actual teaching certification and teaching experience from your own country. |
Where did I (or anyone else) claim this?
As for my personal connection to CELTA/other entry level training program, I worked for training programs back over a decade ago, and I have friends and contacts who still do. Personally not for me; it's like a Ground Hog Day repeated 30 days wash-and-rinse. However, having worked with both trainers and cert holders for a very long time, I have a good knowledge of the programs and their value.
I have been teaching pedagogy for content teachers now for some years, but they are not EFL/ESL instructors. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 4:50 pm Post subject: |
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| I did about 6 years ago. My 15 years of running my own import/export/ retail/wholesale outlet on a busy street in Canada's biggest city got me a few offers. I declined because I made much more in Korea for much less effort than is required to live and work in Europe. |
Nobody doubts that a few people without CELTA/equivalent get basic job offers in Europe. I know a couple myself. I object to the generalization that 'ANY degree holder with sufficient corporate experience can get hired in Europe.' I've been here 17 years. It's not true.
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| Please explain to me how paying as much as $5000 to take that Teaching Adults program in any way benefits you in getting a job teaching children in SE Asia or getting a job in the middle east, north Africa or any other country that requires an actual teaching certification and teaching experience from your own country. |
Where did I (or anyone else) claim this?
As for my personal connection to CELTA/other entry level training program, I worked for training programs back over a decade ago, and I have friends and contacts who still do. Personally not for me; it's like a Ground Hog Day repeated 30 days wash-and-rinse. However, having worked with both trainers and cert holders for a very long time, I have a good knowledge of the programs and their value.
I have been teaching pedagogy for content teachers now for some years, but they are not EFL/ESL instructors. |
Who said that? I didn't. More sales.
I said that any claim that paying for a CELTA outside of Europe is necessary or even needed for a job is absolutely untrue. |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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Location: Moskva, The Workers' Paradise
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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Nothing disingenuous at all in what I wrote. Why would you say that? You, and the viewpoint you represent, are simply mistaken. Your posts strongly give the impression that Celta is a scam course. This is simply not the case.
As for stating if we are trainers etc., this could reduce anonymity, and so it is not something I'd expect other posters to do. I do not see anything unethical in that. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
Nothing disingenuous at all in what I wrote. Why would you say that? You, and the viewpoint you represent, are simply mistaken. Your posts strongly give the impression that Celta is a scam course. This is simply not the case.
As for stating if we are trainers etc., this could reduce anonymity, and so it is not something I'd expect other posters to do. I do not see anything unethical in that. |
You are absolutely and demonstrably wrong on both counts.
You have stated that you are or have been a tester. I have never proposed what you are claiming I have.
I have quite clearly stated that I believe the CELTA or DELTA to be beneficial to obtaining work in Europe. I have clearly stated that I believe the CELTA or DELTA to be legitimate and a legitimate pathway towards professional development. Even in Vietnam. It's certainly beneficial if not a solid requisite to teaching adults. It is what it is. It is not for teaching children which is the majority of work in SE Asia, it is neither legally nor otherwise required to teach anywhere in the world that I am aware of perhaps as a job prerequisite (not a legal requirement for a work permit) in Europe and even that is somewhat questionable under very particular circumstances.
More salesmanship.
More salesmanship. |
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Sashadroogie
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