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Sashadroogie
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Your posts are descending to personal attack now.
By the way, can you back up your claims that I'm benefitting financially from Celta? Taking into consideration how thick I am. |
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
Your posts are descending to personal attack now.
By the way, can you back up your claims that I'm benefitting financially from Celta? Taking into consideration how thick I am. |
I apologize for anything that I've said that is or could be perceived as a personal attack.
I am not going to go through your posting history to search for posts where you stated you taught or tested for the CELTA program.
IMHO I made my point long ago. I'm going to sleep now so have at it.
Stop selling CELTAs to newbies. That is reprehensible. You don't need that to get started in this business. You should be ashamed of yourself. Clearly you aren't. Go for it, make a couple bucks off somebody's hardships.
If that's not clear to the reader by now then you have all rights to fleece them for whatever they are worth.
Snake oil salesmanship. |
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spiral78
Joined: 05 Apr 2004
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Location: On a Short Leash
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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| Stop selling CELTAs to newbies. That is reprehensible. You don't need that to get started in this business. |
Oh, there are great numbers of us here who recommend CELTA for newbies. In many places, they DO in fact need it to get started (not only Europe, but Latin America and Anglophone countries, for starters). If the job market demands it, then it's needed. |
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Sashadroogie
Joined: 17 Apr 2007
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| Posted: Tue Apr 14, 2015 7:14 pm Post subject: |
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"Stop selling Celta to newbies"??? Who is embarrassing themselves again?
As for making a few bucks off people's hardships, I would say that going into any classroom with no training or qualifications is what is reprehensible - even when getting started. Unleashing ignorance on paying students. That should make one ashamed of oneself. Not advising posters that a Cambridge pre-service course will help them do the job they are paid to do.
No snake oil in my posts. However, that may be because I know something about the topic at hand. 'Test for the Celta program', on the other hand, is a phrase which reveals a serious lack of knowledge about what Celta really is. (Sort of like confusing corporate experience with selling sugar...) |
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:15 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
"Stop selling Celta to newbies"??? Who is embarrassing themselves again?
As for making a few bucks off people's hardships, I would say that going into any classroom with no training or qualifications is what is reprehensible - even when getting started. Unleashing ignorance on paying students. That should make one ashamed of oneself. Not advising posters that a Cambridge pre-service course will help them do the job they are paid to do.
No snake oil in my posts. However, that may be because I know something about the topic at hand. 'Test for the Celta program', on the other hand, is a phrase which reveals a serious lack of knowledge about what Celta really is. (Sort of like confusing corporate experience with selling sugar...) |
You are making assumptions about SE Asia that are just not true. Most countries only expect a university degree because the foreign teacher is not teaching grammar. They are just teaching speaking and pronunciation. They are simply giving the students experience with using what they've learned from their local teacher on the foreign teacher. Slang and trailer park grammar are perfectly welcome here. The students want to know how regular people talk not English, literature or linguistic grads..
This is the entry level job. If you want to do more or make more money then you get some experience here and get certification in whatever you wish to do.
It doesn't make sense to spend that money (or advise or recommend training) when you haven't a clue about the job. |
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santi84
Joined: 14 Mar 2008
Posts: 1317
Location: under da sea
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| Posted: Thu Apr 16, 2015 1:32 pm Post subject: |
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| VietCanada wrote: |
| Sashadroogie wrote: |
"Stop selling Celta to newbies"??? Who is embarrassing themselves again?
As for making a few bucks off people's hardships, I would say that going into any classroom with no training or qualifications is what is reprehensible - even when getting started. Unleashing ignorance on paying students. That should make one ashamed of oneself. Not advising posters that a Cambridge pre-service course will help them do the job they are paid to do.
No snake oil in my posts. However, that may be because I know something about the topic at hand. 'Test for the Celta program', on the other hand, is a phrase which reveals a serious lack of knowledge about what Celta really is. (Sort of like confusing corporate experience with selling sugar...) |
You are making assumptions about SE Asia that are just not true. Most countries only expect a university degree because the foreign teacher is not teaching grammar. They are just teaching speaking and pronunciation. They are simply giving the students experience with using what they've learned from their local teacher on the foreign teacher. Slang and trailer park grammar are perfectly welcome here. The students want to know how regular people talk not English, literature or linguistic grads..
This is the entry level job. If you want to do more or make more money then you get some experience here and get certification in whatever you wish to do.
It doesn't make sense to spend that money (or advise or recommend training) when you haven't a clue about the job. |
See, now you are projecting your narrow experience. Are speaking and pronunciation the only functions of all teachers in SE Asia? Surely some of them are required to expand a bit further than that?
Aside from the obvious "I need a job" aspect, isn't it somewhat valuable to have a minimal foundation in TESL/TEFL? You make it sound like you guys just stand there like puppets and charge for being a living dummy addition to the local ventriloquist. Surely, strategies in speaking and pronunciation could be valuable, are they not??
Learning "real" spoken English is important, correct. Should a TEFL instructor understand the concept of why we native speakers use reduced forms? When to use reduced forms? Why reduced forms are acceptable in most situations, but not always? Shouldn't a TEFL instructor understand why and when to use those in a class, so that the local helper doesn't correct them? What if you don't have a local in your class?
And no, I do not have a CELTA. |
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VietCanada
Joined: 30 Nov 2010
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| Stop selling CELTAs to newbies. That is reprehensible. You don't need that to get started in this business. |
Oh, there are great numbers of us here who recommend CELTA for newbies. In many places, they DO in fact need it to get st | | | |
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