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blackrosewitch121
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 Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 3:20 am Post subject: What options in Asia do I have with my credentials? |
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I have a 2 year degree, almost 3 years of experience, and a TEFL 120 hour.
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esl_prof
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| A four year degree is a legal requirement to work in most, if not all, Asian countries. Exceptions to that requirement, if any, will be few and far between. |
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nomad soul
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Ditto esl_prof's response. A 2-year degree is equivalent to no degree where a minimum BA is required.
I suggest posting over on the General Asia Forum (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewforum.php?f=31) for more exposure and specific responses to your question. |
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suphanburi
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 6:46 am Post subject: Re: What options in Asia do I have with my credentials? |
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| blackrosewitch121 wrote: |
I have a 2 year degree, almost 3 years of experience, and a TEFL 120 hour.
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IF you hold a passport from one of the 7 countries that are commonly classed as "native speakers" then your ONLY legal option (due to the level of education) outside of your home country would be the TALK program in Korea. (they accept native speakers with a 2 years of university completed).
If you are not classed as a native speaker (wrong passport) then there are NO options for legal work as an English teacher until you complete an actual Bachelor Degree.
For non native speakers WITH a Bachelors degree there are (legal) work options in SE Asia and China. Proof of proficiency (TOEIC/IELTS/TOEFL) is usually a visa requirement.
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blackrosewitch121
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| Posted: Sat Apr 18, 2015 12:51 pm Post subject: Re: What options in Asia do I have with my credentials? |
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| suphanburi wrote: |
| blackrosewitch121 wrote: |
I have a 2 year degree, almost 3 years of experience, and a TEFL 120 hour.
Thank you |
IF you hold a passport from one of the 7 countries that are commonly classed as "native speakers" then your ONLY legal option (due to the level of education) outside of your home country would be the TALK program in Korea. (they accept native speakers with a 2 years of university completed).
If you are not classed as a native speaker (wrong passport) then there are NO options for legal work as an English teacher until you complete an actual Bachelor Degree.
For non native speakers WITH a Bachelors degree there are (legal) work options in SE Asia and China. Proof of proficiency (TOEIC/IELTS/TOEFL) is usually a visa requirement.
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suphanburi
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esl_prof
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If you're serious about pursuing a long-term career in ESL teaching, I'd strongly encourage you to go back to school and finish up your four-year degree. Unlike many folks who stumble into an ESL career following completion of their BA, you're actually well-positioned to use your BA studies to better position yourself for jobs following graduation by focusing on a major in English, linguistics or, depending the age group your interested in, certification in elementary or secondary education. You might even be able to squeeze in an internship or supervised teaching practicum which would also enhance your credentials upon graduation. While a BA in, say, criminal justice or art history is certainly adequate to meet the minimum legal requirements for teaching in many countries, the reality is you'll be much better prepared and, hopefully, more effective in the classroom if you actually take a degree in a discipline directly related to English teaching.
Whether you decide to continue your studies or not, good luck and please keep us posted on how things work out.  |
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MuscatGary
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| esl_prof wrote: |
| A four year degree is a legal requirement to work in most, if not all, Asian countries. Exceptions to that requirement, if any, will be few and far between. |
Then how come graduates from England can work there? Our Bachelor's degrees take three years to complete. |
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HLJHLJ
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| Posted: Sun Apr 19, 2015 4:43 am Post subject: |
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| esl_prof wrote: |
| A four year degree is a legal requirement to work in most, if not all, Asian countries. Exceptions to that requirement, if any, will be few and far between. |
Then how come graduates from England can work there? Our Bachelor's degrees take three years to complete. |
A 3 year England/Wales BA is equivalent to a 4 year USA BA. The 2 year USA associate degree is roughly equivalent to an HND. |
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suphanburi
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| Then how come graduates from England can work there? Our Bachelor's degrees take three years to complete. |
Bachelor Degree = required in all but a few circumstances. 3 or 4 years to complete doesn't matter. It is a Bachelor Degree (usually 1500-1700 class hours / coursework).
Associate Degree, Associate diploma (2 years usually (750-850 class / coursework hours)) = not sufficient to obtain a proper visa for work as a teacher in East Asia. There are a few exceptions (like the TALK program).
There are always those who are willing to work on the wrong visa (culture visa in Japan, Business visa in China, Cambodia or Vietnam) or just work illegally on a tourist entry stamp/visa and do a border run every 90 days or so (time varies by country).
These people, while enforcement is not usually stringent, do put themselves at risk and can be subject to fines, confinement and/or deportation / banned from re-entry for immigration violations.
They also usually have no protection under labor laws and no recourse when their employer screws them out of wages and benefits.
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esl_prof
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| esl_prof wrote: |
| A four year degree is a legal requirement to work in most, if not all, Asian countries. Exceptions to that requirement, if any, will be few and far between. |
Then how come graduates from England can work there? Our Bachelor's degrees take three years to complete. |
You guys are just way smarter than us, Gary! |
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Sashadroogie
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MuscatGary
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| esl_prof wrote: |
| MuscatGary wrote: |
| esl_prof wrote: |
| A four year degree is a legal requirement to work in most, if not all, Asian countries. Exceptions to that requirement, if any, will be few and far between. |
Then how come graduates from England can work there? Our Bachelor's degrees take three years to complete. |
You guys are just way smarter than us, Gary! |
I actually think it's to do with the degree of specialisation that occurs in the final two years of Secondary education. In England and Wales students specialise into 2-5 subjects. In Scotland they take a syllabus which is more akin to the European Baccalaureate system, much broader in scope and their degrees take four years. Maybe the US system is more like the Scottish system? |
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HLJHLJ
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| MuscatGary wrote: |
| esl_prof wrote: |
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| esl_prof wrote: |
| A four year degree is a legal requirement to work in most, if not all, Asian countries. Exceptions to that requirement, if any, will be few and far between. |
Then how come graduates from England can work there? Our Bachelor's degrees take three years to complete. |
You guys are just way smarter than us, Gary! |
I actually think it's to do with the degree of specialisation that occurs in the final two years of Secondary education. In England and Wales students specialise into 2-5 subjects. In Scotland they take a syllabus which is more akin to the European Baccalaureate system, much broader in scope and their degrees take four years. Maybe the US system is more like the Scottish system? |
Yep, it's the specialisation, though actually in England and Wales it starts at 14 with GCSE choices, then the 2 years of A-Levels before university.
Even at university level the US system (which is based on the Scottish system) is still much broader, whereas the E/W system continues to specialise.
A USA masters is closer to the 3rd year of an E/W BA than an E/W Masters. The first years of taught courses on a USA PhD are more like an E/W masters. Which is why there is no such thing as ABD in E/W.
They roughly level out after the PhD (though sometimes not quite, even then). But in the USA a PhD is typically 6-8 years, compared with 3-4 in E/W. |
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MuscatGary
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| HLJHLJ wrote: |
| MuscatGary wrote: |
| esl_prof wrote: |
| MuscatGary wrote: |
| esl_prof wrote: |
| A four year degree is a legal requirement to work in most, if not all, Asian countries. Exceptions to that requirement, if any, will be few and far between. |
Then how come graduates from England can work there? Our Bachelor's degrees take three years to complete. |
You guys are just way smarter than us, Gary! |
I actually think it's to do with the degree of specialisation that occurs in the final two years of Secondary education. In England and Wales students specialise into 2-5 subjects. In Scotland they take a syllabus which is more akin to the European Baccalaureate system, much broader in scope and their degrees take four years. Maybe the US system is more like the Scottish system? |
Yep, it's the specialisation, though actually in England and Wales it starts at 14 with GCSE choices, then the 2 years of A-Levels before university.
Even at university level the US system (which is based on the Scottish system) is still much broader, whereas the E/W system continues to specialise.
A USA masters is closer to the 3rd year of an E/W BA than an E/W Masters. The first years of taught courses on a USA PhD are more like an E/W masters. Which is why there is no such thing as ABD in E/W.
They roughly level out after the PhD (though sometimes not quite, even then). But in the USA a PhD is typically 6-8 years, compared with 3-4 in E/W. |
Interesting, I often find Scottish and Westen European students to be much better rounded than their E/W counterparts, maybe this explains why.
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