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nomad soul

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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 2:06 am Post subject: New English-medium university slated for expat students |
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New university to solve problem of expats
By P.K. Abdul Ghafour, Arab News | 21 April 2015
Source: http://www.arabnews.com/saudi-arabia/news/735511
JEDDAH--Realizing the decades-old dream of expat parents, a Saudi business group led by Prince Saud bin Musaed has taken the initiative to open an international university in Jeddah, offering degrees in engineering, automobile mechanics and business management.
The new university is a joint venture between Gammon Saudi Arabia and the Bangalore-based Bapuji Institute of Science & Technology, said Sheikh Rafik Mohammed, chairman of Gammon Group, who is confident that it would be a cent percent successful project. "There are more than 10 million foreign workers and their families in the Kingdom,” Mohammed said, adding that they lack a university required for the higher education of their children. At least 300,000 expat children leave the Kingdom every year for higher education.
Prince Faisal bin Saud will sign an agreement with Ganesh Shivashankarappa, CEO of Bapuji Institute and managing director of Shamanur Group in Davangere, next month to establish the university, which will be the first such university in the Kingdom. Mohammed stressed Prince Saud’s desire to strengthen the Kingdom’s higher education sector by bringing reputable international universities and institutes to the country with the support of the Saudi leadership and Education Ministry.
The university will have 13 colleges in the initial stage offering courses in B.Com, BBM, MBA, civil, mechanical, electrical, electronic, automobile, and communication engineering, information technology and architecture. Medical courses will be provided at a later stage. The new university will target Saudis as well as children of expat workers including Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Filipinos, Egyptians, Yemenis and Sudanese in addition to GCC citizens. English will be the medium of instruction.
Speaking about Shamanur Group, the Gammon chief said it operates a vast chain of educational institutions including medical and engineering colleges in India. “It has over 60 years of experience in providing quality education,” he added. “This is going to be a 100 percent successful project because there is need for higher education facilities for foreign students in the Kingdom. The Saudi government intends to provide the best education and training to its citizens and has sent more than 200,000 Saudis on foreign scholarships to study at reputable international universities,” Mohammed said. “Our intention is to bring those famous international campuses to the Kingdom so that Saudis as well as expatriates could receive world-class education inside the Kingdom,” he said, adding that the project would require an initial investment of SR1 billion.
Admission will be provided through online application, after verifying certificates and conducting entrance exams. The new Jeddah university intends to establish cooperation with US, Canadian, European and Australian universities.
Mohammed said the university project would boost foreign investment as it would encourage more foreign investors and skilled workers to come to the Kingdom. “There is a good market for education and health in the Kingdom. After Class XII, expat students are forced to leave the Kingdom due to lack of higher education facilities. This is a big problem facing expats. Many of them do not like to send their daughters away for education.”
In a wide-ranging interview with Arab News, the Gammon chairman highlighted the strength of Saudi economy and its investment-friendly environment. “Saudi Arabia is the best place for investors as it gives them good returns. Large population, vast area, huge oil wealth, strong currency, security and strategic position make it a very attractive place for foreign investors,” he explained. The Gammon chief commended the incentives offered by the Saudi government to foreign investors. “When other countries provide free-zone facilities for foreign investors in a corner, Saudi Arabia offers them such facilities in all parts of the country with full ownership of their investment.”
However, he pointed out that foreign companies should add value by transferring new technologies to the Kingdom and should focus on products and services required by the country. “I have visited several countries and found Saudi Arabia as an ideal place for investment,” he added. Industries operating in remote cities are entitled to soft loans worth 75 percent of the project value for 20 years.
Mohammed also spoke about Gammon’s plan to take part in the construction of four new towers in Dammam. “We have received an invitation from a UK company to join a mega project to establish 99 free zones,” he said. Gammon was successful in bringing several international companies to Jazan Industrial City, which covers an area of 90 sq. km. “The Jazan project is progressing well. Foreign companies have got licenses to establish their industries.”
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:15 am Post subject: |
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Amazing that it has taken so long for something like this to be done. I expect that the government must have blocked it in the past.
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MuscatGary
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 3:24 am Post subject: Re: New English-medium university slated for expat students |
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nomad soul wrote: |
The new university will target Saudis as well as children of expat workers including Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Filipinos, Egyptians, Yemenis and Sudanese in addition to GCC citizens. English will be the medium of instruction. |
Could be serious loss of face involved here if Saudis are studying directly alongside the nationalities named. |
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nomad soul

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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:10 pm Post subject: |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
Amazing that it has taken so long for something like this to be done. I expect that the government must have blocked it in the past. |
Ditto that. Saudi Arabia is such a closed society. However, given that Qatar, Kuwait, Oman, and the UAE have long since opened the doors to foreign universities, it was only a matter of time before KSA woke up and followed suit. Plus, the country loses out on potential revenue for those expats who have no option but to head abroad for their education. Saudi women, in particular, who aren't able to leave the country for their studies will likely welcome the opportunity to continue their education in country at an English-medium university.
The challenge now will be establishing a level of quality education that will appeal to nationals and expats who might otherwise study elsewhere. Regardless, it equates to more job opportunities for English-speaking educators, including EFL teachers.
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The new university will target Saudis as well as children of expat workers including Indians, Pakistanis, Sri Lankans, Filipinos, Egyptians, Yemenis and Sudanese in addition to GCC citizens. English will be the medium of instruction. |
Could be serious loss of face involved here if Saudis are studying directly alongside the nationalities named. |
Why so? Many Saudis already study abroad in eastern and western universities that have the same international mix of students. |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 4:43 pm Post subject: |
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The private college where I taught in Oman had about half expat students, I even had a young American fellow. It was great fun teaching a mixed group like this, and it did cause problems with the Omani students, many of whom had such low language skills in comparison.
I taught both writing and business courses, and I needed to give a lot of extra help to the Omanis who were serious about wanting to succeed. A number of them also left to go to other private colleges who had less stringent language requirements. The fact that the management was Omani made the strict rules more acceptable.
But I can see that there could be issues as MuscatGary mentioned. If/When it is consistently the locals getting the low grades and/or not passing, problems could appear for the institution.
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nomad soul

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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:12 pm Post subject: |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
But I can see that there could be issues as MuscatGary mentioned. If/When it is consistently the locals getting the low grades and/or not passing, problems could appear for the institution. |
That will depend on the admissions requirements for English proficiency level and previous academic standing---how selective the university will be in terms of who gets admitted. Plus, the article stated there would be an entrance exam. But since most of the courses offered will be in the sciences and technology, the university will likely attract those Saudis who are already academically minded. |
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cmp45

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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:51 pm Post subject: |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
The private college where I taught in Oman had about half expat students, I even had a young American fellow. It was great fun teaching a mixed group like this, and it did cause problems with the Omani students, many of whom had such low language skills in comparison.
I taught both writing and business courses, and I needed to give a lot of extra help to the Omanis who were serious about wanting to succeed. A number of them also left to go to other private colleges who had less stringent language requirements. The fact that the management was Omani made the strict rules more acceptable.
But I can see that there could be issues as Muscat Gary mentioned. If/When it is consistently the locals getting the low grades and/or not passing, problems could appear for the institution.
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Lots of sweeping assumptions being made here regarding locals versus other nationalities. My experience teaching Saudis along with other nationalities has proven to me at least that nationality is not really the main issue when it comes to scholastic ability. Because the local students tend to out number the other nationalities, there will always be a proportionately higher number of local students that are weaker than the others. Hence we tend to believe this assumption that the locals are weaker students when in fact I have yet to see any such statistics to prove such assumptions as true.
Of course the imaginary scenario you speak of regarding locals consistently getting lower grades would be a concern for any institution in any country. However, I am referring to Saudi students here since this is the Saudi forum
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buravirgil
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Posted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:08 pm Post subject: |
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cmp45 wrote: |
Because the local students tend to out number the other nationalities, there will always be a proportionately higher number of local students that are weaker than the others. |
Proportionality bias? In a regular's post? I think you best reconsider!
Systematic error among informed opinions about Saudi Arabia? Heaven forfend!
Is the STEP exam still being used?
*Just defining terms. No endorsement of, or opposition to, any opinion implied |
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veiledsentiments

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:08 am Post subject: |
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cmp45 wrote: |
Lots of sweeping assumptions being made here regarding locals versus other nationalities. |
Not assumptions at all... facts based on experience.
I actually taught quite a few Saudi students over the years... just not in KSA. They were in either the US or Egypt.
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cmp45

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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 4:32 am Post subject: |
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veiledsentiments wrote: |
cmp45 wrote: |
Lots of sweeping assumptions being made here regarding locals versus other nationalities. |
Not assumptions at all... facts based on experience.
I actually taught quite a few Saudi students over the years... just not in KSA. They were in either the US or Egypt.
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Fair enough... in my opinion this line of thinking however can be problematic when teachers put too much emphasis on nationality. The belief that one nationality is inherently weaker than another can be detrimental in a class setting. |
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BajaLaJaula
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Posted: Wed Apr 22, 2015 3:19 pm Post subject: |
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It is not the nationality per se that will be the cause for lower grades....it will be the lack of effort put forth by the Saudi students.
They will get lower grades and so to combat this...the administration will have to artificially inflate the grades of the Saudi students so that they "naturally" get the highest grades in the class.
How embarrassing to have non-Saudis getting higher grades than Saudi's.
this mistake....you mistake....Saudi student...you must....better grade than Rafik and Saeedi....this big problem you. |
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cmp45

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 2:55 am Post subject: |
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BajaLaJaula wrote: |
It is not the nationality per se that will be the cause for lower grades....it will be the lack of effort put forth by the Saudi students.
They will get lower grades and so to combat this...the administration will have to artificially inflate the grades of the Saudi students so that they "naturally" get the highest grades in the class.
How embarrassing to have non-Saudis getting higher grades than Saudi's.
this mistake....you mistake....Saudi student...you must....better grade than Rafik and Saeedi....this big problem you. |
I tend to agree with your first statement, (could have just stopped there), the rest of your post says more about you as a teacher...embarrassing indeed! |
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BajaLaJaula
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:01 am Post subject: |
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Actually....that last part refers to the administration. A lot of good teachers get the blame when students go and complain to the administration.
@cmp45
no not embarrassing....that is the system there..it is called wasta.
the broken English was added for comedic effect. Advice for you...try and have a sense of humor about it all.... Remember we are just the hired help and can be sacked and replaced should we decide not to follow their rules. |
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sicklyman
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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 9:37 am Post subject: |
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cmp45 wrote: |
the rest of your post says more about you as a teacher |
yeah, it shows Baja is wiser now then the first day he (?) worked here. It's called professional development cmp45  |
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nomad soul

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Posted: Thu Apr 23, 2015 12:17 pm Post subject: |
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BajaLaJaula wrote: |
Actually....that last part refers to the administration. A lot of good teachers get the blame when students go and complain to the administration. |
Generalities that certainly didn't happen at the uni where I taught as a direct hire. Anyway, the English-medium university in this thread will very likely admit Saudi science and engineering students who are on scholarship and not the level of students you encountered. Stereotyping all Saudis based on your negative experiences equates to blatant narrow-mindedness. |
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