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Is it true China is more lucrative monetarily than Korea?
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creeper1



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:45 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well hello Mr money hungry.

You would do well to take a job in a public school. That way you can pack in the lucrative privates on your evenings and weekends.

Do not take a job at a mill that demands all your time. You will be too tired to do any side work.

Also note that start up costs in China can be much more expensive than Korea.
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JRJohn



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PostPosted: Thu Apr 02, 2015 11:46 pm    Post subject: Earning Potential Reply with quote

Well, my first instinct would be to say that provided the Korean employer is being fair there are certain advantages to Korea. In my last job in Korea, I earned 2.3 million won, because I have provable experience and other stuff.
The Koreans paid for my flight into Korea as well as my flight home. I also had a rent-free apartment.
You won't necessarily get this in China. My current employer will only pay for my flight home at the end of the contract. This is standard. I earn the equivalent of 2.3 million won in Beijing, but I have to pay rent. That is not standard in China. But if you don't have to pay rent in China, your salary will be lower, to compensate. Even so, you can still save money.
Currently, I pay rent. In Beijing that means paying 4 months' rent up front, about 9000 rmb. in my case, for shared accommodation, and then after 2 months the grasping landlord wants 3 more months' rent. If the rent had been spread throughout the year, I could well afford it. As it is, it makes Beijing like Tokyo.
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bcxxbc



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:05 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

creeper1 wrote:
Well hello Mr money hungry.

You would do well to take a job in a public school. That way you can pack in the lucrative privates on your evenings and weekends.

Do not take a job at a mill that demands all your time. You will be too tired to do any side work.

Also note that start up costs in China can be much more expensive than Korea.


Why does everyone on this board seem so hostile to each other?

I want to do this to experience another culture and learn another language while doing so. If I can amass a good savings while doing so as well, then I will be able to travel loads after a year which is all I want to do with my life at the moment. No need to call people sarcastic names like some sort of hipster nobody.
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hdeth



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 12:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There is very little that is 'standard' in china outside of the university gigs. People at the same school can have vastly different salaries. You have to barter/negotiate more/better.
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Laurence



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PostPosted: Fri Apr 03, 2015 1:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Why does everyone on this board seem so hostile to each other?


It's called the 'online disinhibition effect'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

Scary when it affects our offline behaviour too though, trolling does wind people up and it is borne out IRL.
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joleen7



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 7:29 am    Post subject: ' monetarily' Reply with quote

Sashadroogie wrote:
Monetarily? Is there any other way to be lucrative?


Wink
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 11:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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Monetarily? Is there any other way to be lucrative?


You could be setting on bags of Kimchi resting your tired "dogs" on cases of "Soju"
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jimpellow



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 6:30 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Laurence wrote:
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Why does everyone on this board seem so hostile to each other?


It's called the 'online disinhibition effect'.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Online_disinhibition_effect

Scary when it affects our offline behaviour too though, trolling does wind people up and it is borne out IRL.


Truth to what you say. But the bigger truth for the OP is that you will find a fair amount of low quality human beings marching around in China disguised as ESL teachers.

I check out five board to reflect the places where I have taught, as well as a few others for countries I have an interest in teaching. All of them combined don't possess the fruitcakes infesting this one.

It will be interesting with time if the stricter visa standards thin the herd. But to the OP, be prepared to have some colleagues that would be homeless if back in their own countries.

And no, overall I think it would not be as lucrative for Korea. I think China is a very bad deal now. Biggest exceptions that come to mind are being able to teach certain subjects for prep classes, or living in a city where you can do privates on the side to Koreans and Japanese (Qingdao, Dalian etc..)
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Hatcher



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 20, 2015 10:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I spent a long time in Korea and am now in China.

There are many factors re money. I was in the top 1% of money earners in K. It depends today on if you have the right visa. privates are tough to get in K nowadays. 10 years ago, it was easy. Not today.

In China, international schools are worth it but unis are not. In K if you like free time and a great night life, the uni gig is for u.
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Deats



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 11:42 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You are wrong about uni work in China. You do very few hours and top it up with privates. You can make more than people at many international schools. And get better holidays.
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Old Surrender



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 5:06 pm    Post subject: Re: Earning Potential Reply with quote

JRJohn wrote:
Currently, I pay rent.


I have never met a teacher who has to pay rent in the five years I've been here. How did that happen?
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asiannationmc



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PostPosted: Sun Apr 26, 2015 9:35 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

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How did that happen?


Self determination with a housing allowance.
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ecubyrd



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 10:35 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deats wrote:
You are wrong about uni work in China. You do very few hours and top it up with privates. You can make more than people at many international schools. And get better holidays.


Please do share how a uni teacher here topping it up with privates gets better holidays while making more than int school teachers. I'd love to hear this.

Op, go to Korea for safe work (ie...standard salaries pretty much), as others said. Come here if you are more adventurous, or have solid qualifications to get you in a higher paying position.
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Deats



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PostPosted: Mon Apr 27, 2015 11:06 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well, I just scored a job in a university paying 10,000RMB a month and get fully paid holidays - not to mention 13,500 yearly bonus, free flights, accommodation etc. So this is 10,000 x 12 = 120,000 + 13,500. I work 16 hours a week (max) and no weekends.

For the 8 months of the year I work I can get privates on Sats and Sun 16 hours x200RMB = 3200RMBp/w + 2 hours a night during the week = 1000RMB.

4200RMBp/w = about 18,000RMB a month + 10000RMB from uni = 28000RMB x 8 = 224000RMB.

Usually in my holidays I spend 2 weeks in summer and 2 in winter doing catch up lessons when I return from my holidays. I used to do 8 hours a day in this period. 8 lessons a day x 200RMB x 30days = 48000RMB.

224000 + 48000 + 13500 (bonus) = 285500RMB a year AND 3 FULL months of holiday.

Most international schools pay 240000RMB. So it's less.

I'm not even talking about taking multiple students where I would charge more than 200RMB an hour. And I only take students in my home, so there are no travel times. I do 2 2hour slots in the morning and have an hour for lunch then 2 2hour slots in the afternoon (on weekends).
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ecubyrd



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 28, 2015 11:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Deats wrote:
Well, I just scored a job in a university paying 10,000RMB a month and get fully paid holidays - not to mention 13,500 yearly bonus, free flights, accommodation etc. So this is 10,000 x 12 = 120,000 + 13,500. I work 16 hours a week (max) and no weekends.

For the 8 months of the year I work I can get privates on Sats and Sun 16 hours x200RMB = 3200RMBp/w + 2 hours a night during the week = 1000RMB.

4200RMBp/w = about 18,000RMB a month + 10000RMB from uni = 28000RMB x 8 = 224000RMB.

Usually in my holidays I spend 2 weeks in summer and 2 in winter doing catch up lessons when I return from my holidays. I used to do 8 hours a day in this period. 8 lessons a day x 200RMB x 30days = 48000RMB.

224000 + 48000 + 13500 (bonus) = 285500RMB a year AND 3 FULL months of holiday.

Most international schools pay 240000RMB. So it's less.

I'm not even talking about taking multiple students where I would charge more than 200RMB an hour. And I only take students in my home, so there are no travel times. I do 2 2hour slots in the morning and have an hour for lunch then 2 2hour slots in the afternoon (on weekends).


I see. Thanks for the breakdown. A couple of things to mention:

Not sure where the figure for "most international schools pay" came from. That seems really low.

There is almost zero weekend work at international schools and you get paid for doing nothing during holidays/vacations.

I prefer the M-F 8-4, 15 teaching hours a week, 180 day all legal work year myself. Nice to know that there are alternatives to it nonetheless.
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