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My five-year job won't hire me next year, need legal advice.
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marley'sghost



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 1:38 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sorry, none of the following is about the OP's situation, just commentary on commentary. Sorry to hear they are cutting you loose. I hope the union can help. Maybe at least you can get some severance pay or something out of them.
In the public elementary and junior high schools here everyone is transferred eventually. I've been ALTing at my current schools for 6 years now, only about 15-20% of the people who were here when I started remain. The schools here are less autonomous than they are, for example in America. Teachers are interchangeable cogs in a larger system and get moved around for the reasons other posters describe. The idea (ideal?) behind those reasons is for the teachers to have a broad experience and wide relationships in that system at large. It's not like back home in the States where the school district hires teachers and quite often a teacher will spend their entire career at the same school, or at least in the same district.
I have seen in Senior High schools here in Japan, instances where teachers stay for much longer. I knew one English teacher at a very high academic level who had been there 15 plus years. I know another at the same school who was there for at least that long, retired and now is working there post-retirement as part-time.

The "job transfer" seems to be a big part of corporate culture too. For white collar workers in big, nation wide companies, it's almost a certainty that at some point in a salaryman's career that he'll have to pull up stakes and move halfway across the country. I've heard sometimes it's very sudden. Some poor sods get like two weeks notice that they'll be moving from Osaka to Sapporo.

In a positive light, workers are transfered to gain broad experience, form wide relationships and make valuable connections. In a negative light, they are interchangable cogs in an indifferent machine.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Mon Dec 09, 2013 4:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

marley'sghost wrote:
The "job transfer" seems to be a big part of corporate culture too.
Another explanation I've hears is that it reduces the impact of the powerful patronage networks that are such a feature of organisational life in Japan.

If teachers weren't moved around, each school would become its own mini-fiefdom with the Principal as the shogun. The Boards of Education would be left impotent.
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eiyosus



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:27 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'll just give you guys a quick update and let you know that the situation has gotten rather large, that I have an external union and the school's internal union backing me up, that there are some things in my contract that have been found to be illegal, and that literally every teacher in the English department is supporting me.

I'd like to post more, but I'm paranoid that somebody might see this page (I'm sure nobody will, but you never know). I was lucky to find a great union which I'll say more about after this all plays out.

Until next time.
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Pitarou



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 6:42 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for sharing. That's a really welcome development.

I understand the need for discretion, so I won't press you to reveal more just now, but I'd love to know how it works out. I hope they don't ask you to sign a non-disclosure agreement as part of your settlement.

Best wishes,

Pitarou.
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nightsintodreams



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 11:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

^Seconded, I'm really interested to see how this pans out.^
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Wed Jan 22, 2014 4:47 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Pitarou wrote:
I hope they don't ask you to sign a non-disclosure agreement as part of your settlement.


They can't. Once a registered union is involved the resolution has to be recorded with the Labor Standards office, just like the contract should be. (Which of course means they will try to include a non-disclosure clause and probably didn't lodge the original contract either.)
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 3:56 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is this still in litigation?
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Futureal



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PostPosted: Wed Jun 04, 2014 5:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

http://www.amazon.com/Native-Speakerism-Japan-Intergroup-Education-Multilingual-ebook/dp/B00CI8BNZS/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1401858674&sr=8-1&keywords=native-speakerism+in+japan

This book has a really interesting chapter about a legal battle over contracted lecturers at universities, thought it might be relevant. The entire book is relevant to the whole "ALTs growing stale" concept.
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fat_chris



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PostPosted: Thu Feb 19, 2015 6:08 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I wonder how this turned out.

Warm regards,
fat_chris
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Lynn



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PostPosted: Fri Feb 20, 2015 5:23 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I hope it worked out.

Having kids changes everything. Even if the kids are going to school, if they have a fever they will be sent home. And then what? Either parent has to take the day off work. Unless you have grandma around. In the US the average age for a child to stay home alone is thirteen! Seems a little old though, because I was staying home with my little brother around age nine or ten.

Good luck to the OP
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 5:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm also curious how this turned out.
Lynn wrote:
I hope it worked out.

Having kids changes everything. Even if the kids are going to school, if they have a fever they will be sent home. And then what? Either parent has to take the day off work. Unless you have grandma around. In the US the average age for a child to stay home alone is thirteen! Seems a little old though, because I was staying home with my little brother around age nine or ten.

Good luck to the OP
I'm not so sure about that, unless times have changed that considerably. I'm from the US. I was home alone at like 7 and 8. I knew the rules: don't touch the stove, don't play with fire, don't open the door for any reason, unless it's someone I know, don't go outside for any reason, etc.

When I was 9, and my younger cousin (6), who attended the same elementary school as I, would be left home alone all the time together at my house. We both had a key to our homes too. Nothing ever happened. At 11, when in middle school, I had a key and stuff, and would be at home alone (like in elementary school) for part of the afternoon until my mother got home from work. My father worked from 3:00 - 11:00, my mother worked 8:00 - 4:00. I know, a short time frame.

I just couldn't see the average age being 13. Geez, some kids take on babysitting jobs at like 10 and 11, right? Then again...maybe the US has changed that much in the nearly 30 years since I was an elementary school kid.

Edit: Just realized that next year, it will have been 30 years since I first started elementary school. Wow. ><
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Maitoshi



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PostPosted: Sun Feb 22, 2015 8:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In your mid thirties, eh?
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ssjup81



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PostPosted: Mon Feb 23, 2015 1:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maitoshi wrote:
In your mid thirties, eh?
Yep, almost.
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Lynn



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PostPosted: Tue Apr 21, 2015 5:47 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, times have changed! I'm 39, and I walked home at age six and sometimes my parents were not home. And from age nine I stayed home with my baby brother.

Now I'm in California, and we were told at the kindergarten parent teacher conference that children can not stay home alone until age thirteen. But I'm not sure where the teacher got that number, because according to this website, California does not have a specific age.

http://www.latchkey-kids.com/latchkey-kids-age-limits.htm
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G Cthulhu



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PostPosted: Wed Apr 29, 2015 1:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

CA (like most states in the US) doesn't have a number, but the law usually requires the CPS to generate regulations and guidelines. Those usually specify an age and end up taking on the force of law, although as regulation they can be challenged in court quite easily. Court case developing in Maryland over this very issue and whether a 10 year old is old enough to be able to walk to and from a park with their 6 year old sister in tow. State is saying no. Parents are telling the state to push the he11 off.
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