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Markness
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 Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 3:07 pm Post subject: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
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| Non Sequitur wrote: |
Don't agree.
The paid summer is there as an inducement for those teachers who are up to it, to re-sign for a further period. |
That's true. However, that isn't always the case. It's more likely to happen if you sign a 2-year contract. I don't trust them enough to do only 10 months and take the gamble with the last two. |
Remember they don't have a clue if you can teach i.e. 'are up to it'
For a newb to hold out for a two year adds a level of complication to getting started.
At the end of the 2nd academic year are you really going to collect 2m pay and then leave?
You may get a 22 month but not 2 years.
And what happens if you sign for 2xacademic years and loath the place? |
It's the nature of the beast when they hire some people based off of skype interviews and/or super desperate for teachers. If someone has a degree and is from a native English-speaking country, and meets all the other requirements including experience then they shouldn't be taking the gamble. As an above poster mentioned, there are some greedy recruiters who just broadcast in their advertisement that the summer is unpaid (and pocket the whole summer salary for themselves, not including the money they take from you every month). And some greedy owners (may not even be the person who you are talking to) may look at that extra 15k rmb and put it towards something else. And what happens if the person you are dealing with when it's time to re-sign your contract goes "oh, you aren't working right now.. next year we pay you for summer.. go on a holiday with your girlfriend.. haha"? I have seen it before, it has nothing to do with the quality of the teacher. Money > quality here. But if people looked hard enough and stopped flooding the doors of universities/EFs then they could easily nail a job that will provide them with a much higher quality of life. I'm doing good here and want people to know that they are capable of a better life without taking the risk of a company who holds on to their visa to hold them hostage. |
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7969
Joined: 26 Mar 2003
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 3:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Markness wrote: |
| But if people looked hard enough and stopped flooding the doors of universities/EFs then they could easily nail a job that will provide them with a much higher quality of life. I'm doing good here and want people to know that they are capable of a better life. |
Yes Markness, we know you're doing very well because you've reminded us a few times lately. Most of us don't need anyone telling us what we have to do for a "higher quality of life" as I'm sure we're capable of finding what we need on our own. For some people that's a university, or EF. In the end if someone else is happy with what they're doing and earning, why should anyone else care? These posts come across as very arrogant. |
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Markness
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| Posted: Fri May 08, 2015 6:23 pm Post subject: |
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| 7969 wrote: |
| Markness wrote: |
| But if people looked hard enough and stopped flooding the doors of universities/EFs then they could easily nail a job that will provide them with a much higher quality of life. I'm doing good here and want people to know that they are capable of a better life. |
Yes Markness, we know you're doing very well because you've reminded us a few times lately. Most of us don't need anyone telling us what we have to do for a "higher quality of life" as I'm sure we're capable of finding what we need on our own. For some people that's a university, or EF. In the end if someone else is happy with what they're doing and earning, why should anyone else care? These posts come across as very arrogant. |
I'm just whinging because people flock to the "golden" university positions. The pay is low because there is enough people willing to fill in those positions for whatever reason. If that means that people are happy, all the power to them. Not hating on that, but it's just odd to me to be fixated on a certain age group of students and take a huge pay-cut in the process. I can see where people are coming from though if they want to avoid a kindergarten.. |
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MESL
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Your summer and winter break paychecks are in the school budget. The FAO and the recruiter are splitting it. They tell you it's not in the school budget and how can you prove otherwise? |
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MESL
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 1:21 pm Post subject: |
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| Imagine the president of an American university or the principal of an American high school telling the foreign staff, "Because you are Chinese, you will not get paid 2 months out of the year." |
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Son of Bud Powell
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| Posted: Sat May 09, 2015 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| MESL wrote: |
| Imagine the president of an American university or the principal of an American high school telling the foreign staff, "Because you are Chinese, you will not get paid 2 months out of the year." |
American professors are not paid for the summer terms unless there are classes for them to teach. Many classes just aren't offered during the summer. Tenured professors are (usually) on a yearly salary, and they (usually) end up working two short summer terms. The tenured professors' contracts probably vary from university to university. I don't know for sure, I have never been a tenured professor.
University lecturers (MA and PhD) are usually paid per classroom hour. Four or five classes five days per week is usually considered full-time, and they work on renewable contracts. Summer work is doled out according to demand. No summer classes= no summer paycheck unless one has his paycheck averaged over 12 months.
American public school teachers aren't paid during the summer. They can opt to have their paychecks averaged over twelve months. If they teach summer courses, then they get paid for those courses.
There are probably exceptions to these observations, but probably not many. |
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