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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:17 am    Post subject: Does this take the cake? Reply with quote

The part time foreign teacher at our school was arrested and jailed awaiting trial for skinny dipping at Kamakura.

Our vice principal has to find his apartment, get in, retrieve his passport and some clothing and take them to Kamakura. The school will be forced to fire him.

Is this too much or what?

I don't know the details exactly but I can imagine alcohol may have been envolved but I can see stripping off and running naked into the sea, done it myself.

Be safe this holiday everybody.


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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 7:32 am    Post subject: Re: Does this take the cake? Reply with quote

Sweetsee wrote:
The part time foreign teacher at our school, teaching the same number of classes as me full time, was arrested and jailed awaiting trial for skinny dipping at Kamakura.

Our vice principal has to find his apartment, get in, retrieve his passport and some clothing and take them to Kamakura. Then the school will be forced to fire him. Furthermore, I wouldn't be surprised if immigration will step in after he is convicted.

Is this too much or what? I don't know the details but I can imagine alcohol may have been envolved but I can see stripping off and running naked into the sea, done it myself.

What kind of country is this?


Usually any situation where the police become involved, becomes a firing offence, because what usually happens is it lands up in the local newspapers. I have heard of people being arrested for drunk driving and then losing their jobs when their employers go to bail them out of jail.

Have never been to Kamakura, but to my knowledge there are no nudist beaches in Japan (though mixed bathing at onsen is known to happen in Hokkaido) and he would probably be charged with obscene behavior, like flashing himself in Tokyo Station. Japanese are a pretty conservative bunch when it comes to public nudity where even showing pubic hair is officially banned.

If you are going to run around naked I would recommend you do it at home with the curtains drawn or perhaps up in the mountains.
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Chris12



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sounds like your colleague was in the wrong place at the wrong time. Sometime during my first month in Japan, I was walking down a street in Tokyo. The sun had already set and the moon and stars filled the sky when a completely nude young man comes running towards me. I thought to myself, "Must be wash day and so he doesn't have anything to wear!"
I wonder how the police caught your colleague skinny dipping?
I've been to Kamakura many times. Was he caught in the country or the city?

I guess whenever you are in a foreign country you have to follow the laws even more so.
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Glenski



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Sweetsee,

Is what too much? Swimming naked where laws prohibit it? Barring any isolated, remote, rural environment as the setting, your friend was caught by police. That says at least one thing...he broke a law. No cake involved there. Who knows exactly which law or laws, as the case may be. I suspect the same thing would happen to any Japanese person. So what's the beef exactly?

I agree with Paul about shame leading to firing. Do you know that it is going to happen for certain, though?

I wouldn't speculate any further, if I were you. That takes the cake.
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skarp



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:12 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK, if a nurse is convicted of any offence, barring perhaps some traffic offences, they will be fired and disqualified form teaching. This may have changed but was true 10 years ago.

A similar thing goes for teachers.

This is not uncommon. I expect a Japanese caught in similar illegal activity - it may not be a big deal but it is illegal - would also get fired. People usually get fired following any conviction, even a caution is a conviction in the UK, so accepting a caution for a trivial drug offence may be a mistake - make 'em prosecute, chances are they'll just drop the charges.

So no - it doesn't take teh cake but thanks for bringing this up...it's useful to be reminded to be careful.
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skarp



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:29 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the UK, if a nurse is convicted of any offence, barring perhaps some traffic offences, they will be fired and disqualified form teaching. This may have changed but was true 10 years ago.

A similar thing goes for teachers.

This is not uncommon. I expect a Japanese caught in similar illegal activity - it may not be a big deal but it is illegal - would also get fired. People usually get fired following any conviction, even a caution is a conviction in the UK, so accepting a caution for a trivial drug offence may be a mistake - make 'em prosecute, chances are they'll just drop the charges.

So no - it doesn't take teh cake but thanks for bringing this up...it's useful to be reminded to be careful.
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migo



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

NTS: Don't go skinny dipping in Japan.
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Sweetsee



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 9:44 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Chris, evidently it was at 5:00 this morning and residents called the police.

Glen, what is your beef? I don't remember saying he was choking his chicken in front of Japanese women in the playground at the park while reading gang rape comics on his way home for his daily health with an underage school girl.
And I wasn't speculating, I was told by school officials he was terminated as a result of being arrested for a crime.
Have you taken up a torch or is vacation getting to you?

Skarp, still looking? Thank you for the kind words.

And hey...be safe out there this holiday everyone.


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Karoons



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 10:55 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I do find it quite strange that your friend got arrested for skinny dipping. This is my third summer living around the Kamakura area and each year I`ve seen a few groups of young Japanese guys stripping off and running into the sea for a dip. No one on the beach ever seems to mind.
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:14 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Karoons wrote:
I do find it quite strange that your friend got arrested for skinny dipping. This is my third summer living around the Kamakura area and each year I`ve seen a few groups of young Japanese guys stripping off and running into the sea for a dip. No one on the beach ever seems to mind.


In case you hadnt noticed, there is a double standard here for the locals and one for foreigners. Skinny dipping is still illegal, but they are going to throw the book at a foreigner who breaks Japanese laws or offends public morals. Japanese do silly things too like take drugs etc but we are held to a higher standard by the police and society becuase of who we are. With all the paranoia about foreigners committing crimes here its only natural that people are going to be a tad touchy about foreigners breaking Japanese laws.

As it is, there is no time limit when something is illegal and when it isn't. Police work around the clock and are entitled to act on a complaint, even at 5 in the morning. Someone out walking their dog at 5 in the morning or delivering the papers is going to be a bit shocked to see a naked foreigner running along Kamakura beach.
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skarp



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 11:53 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Well - I guess it's unfair that they nail us and let the locals off - but what do you expect.

The 'tabloid' culture is all over teh world....dangerous foreigners and all that.

BTW - do we intimidate Japanese men in the same way we scare Korean men?

Could that be part of the problem?
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sidjameson



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Crikey, at the moment I am in the habit of walking around my apartment naked. Because its so hot....honest. Anyway, anyone looking from the right angle outside would get a peep if they were lucky and if they were unlucky a full on money shot. Wonder if I can expect a visit from the boys in blue? At least they have smaller trunchons than the english bobbies. Very Happy
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PAULH



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:15 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

skarp wrote:
In the UK, if a nurse is convicted of any offence, barring perhaps some traffic offences, they will be fired and disqualified form teaching. This may have changed but was true 10 years ago.
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Skarp,

Do teachers arrested for a crime in the UK get fired and barred from working as nurses in hospitals? I'll never have an IV drip or an injection again.
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king kakipi



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 1:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I, for one, feel a bit sorry for this bloke. He may have broken the law, but this is a country where it is apparently OK to get the 'old fella' out at anytime, and in any place, to urinate...........
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ntropy



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 25, 2004 3:49 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Feel sorry for him? Yeah, I've done it myself. But very quietly without making a big "splash" so to speak. I suspect if the neighbours woke up at 5 am and phoned the police he was disturbing the peace as well and got what he deserved. In Japan, disturbing the "wa" is a worse offence than breaking any law.

My contract in Japan, by the way, had a morals clause which allowed the employer, local board of education, to fire any of us at any time for breaking it. I suspect many contracts affiliated to public institutions do.
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