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mnruman



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 1:46 pm    Post subject: Qualifications question Reply with quote

Hi, All

I was speaking to a friend of mine, who has asked me to post this.

He currently holds a unrelated BA, a CELTA and has a Level 3 Award in Education and training.

He was looking to take the Level 3 EAT further into a Level 5, but wanted to know if this actually holds any real value in KSA.

He has a years teaching experience in ESOL in the UK, along with 2 years teaching experience in other subjects.

PS not sure if this has been asked previously, I have searched but unable to find anything on it. Apologies if it has.

Thanks for all replies.
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currentaffairs



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 2:06 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Related MA or PGCE are the quals that can make a difference. DELTA or Trinity Diploma are also what he should be considering..
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mnruman



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 2:27 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Whats more valued DELTA or an MA in lingustics?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Tue May 12, 2015 4:17 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnruman wrote:
Whats more valued DELTA or an MA in lingustics?

Obviously the degree---either an MA in TESOL or in Applied Linguistics. Look at current job ads for KSA and use the posted requirements as a guide (http://www.eslcafe.com/joblist/).
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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnruman wrote:
Whats more valued DELTA or an MA in lingustics?

nomad soul is right, but it may not be obvious to the OP or friend that the MA is valued more because it's the having the qualification that's more valued in Saudi, not the ability to actually deliver quality TEFL skills to learners.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Wed May 13, 2015 7:25 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

sicklyman wrote:
The MA is valued more because it's the having the qualification that's more valued in Saudi, not the ability to actually deliver quality TEFL skills to learners.

That wasn't the case where I taught. My teaching colleagues already had a CELTA/valid teaching qualification or their degree coursework included an ESOL practical component.
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mnruman



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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 1:11 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks nomad soul, I was thinking as Delta is a Follow on from CELTA, it may have carried more weight behind it.

I originally asked the question because my friend has recently got the Level 3 award in education and training (which he said was free) and he wanted to know if the saudis see this as a plus or disregard it completely.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 2:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnruman wrote:
I was thinking as Delta is a Follow on from CELTA, it may have carried more weight behind it.

It's a plus but tends to get lumped with the CELTA and other TEFL certs because it's not considered an academic credential. So for the better (direct-hire) positions, employers want to see a relevant MA (although that doesn't deter job seekers with not-yet-there qualifications from applying). For example, from some actual past job ads:
    "A faculty member is expected to have an MA in TEFL/TESL or Applied Linguistics, or a one-academic-year, full-time postgraduate diploma in TEFL/TESL with a minimum of 5 years' experience from an internationally well-known university, preferably with intensive EAP course experience." (Prince Sultan University)

    "Applicants need a first degree in any discipline, plus a Masters in TEFL/TESOL or Applied Linguistics; a one-year postgraduate diploma in TEFL/TESL from an accredited university or an RSA/UCLES DELTA. Applicants should also have a minimum of four years’ full-time teaching of EFL/EAP, preferably at tertiary level and overseas." (KFUPM)

    "Master's Degree in ESL/EFL/TESOL. Minimum of two years of relevant teaching experience at the academic level." (Dar Al Hekma University)

    "Candidates who meet the following additional criteria are highly desirable: PhD/MA in English Literature/Linguistics/TESOL/TEFL; overseas ESL teaching experience, especially in the Middle East; and DELTA/Trinity LTCL Diploma." (Jubail University College)

    "MA in TESL, TEFL, Applied Linguistics (or any related field from an accredited university) or BA in English plus a Certificate/Diploma in English Language Teaching (and a minimum experience of 3 years in ELT). Applicants who possess all or any of the following criteria would be given preferences: CELTA/TESL/TEFL/TESOL/DELTA; ESL/EFL teacher training/mentoring skills..." (King Abdulaziz University)

    "Earned degree(s) in TESOL, Linguistics, Rhetoric and Composition, or very closely related field: M.A. or Ph.D" (Al Faisal University)
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 5:31 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

sicklyman wrote:

nomad soul is right, but it may not be obvious to the OP or friend that the MA is valued more because it's the having the qualification that's more valued in Saudi, not the ability to actually deliver quality TEFL skills to learners.


Agreed. Saudi is all about bureaucracy and paperwork. As long as there is some sort of paper trail present, they're happy.

Having said that, they'll still fabricate everything...as I found out...
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 5:58 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamajorba wrote:
Agreed. Saudi is all about bureaucracy and paperwork. As long as there is some sort of paper trail present, they're happy.

Seriously, the same can be said about applying for a government job in the US. Rolling Eyes
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 6:01 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

nomad soul wrote:
Gamajorba wrote:
Agreed. Saudi is all about bureaucracy and paperwork. As long as there is some sort of paper trail present, they're happy.

Seriously, the same can be said about applying for a government job in the US. Rolling Eyes


I can only imagine. If only you could see what my current position here is like...really!
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mnruman



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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 1:05 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I suppose that makes sence, CELTA and DELTA are not diretly linked to Universities.

An MA in Lingustics can be achieved within a year.

How do recruiters actually check qualifications and follow up on the?

for example I got my degree in 2009 for MMU how would they check, apart for me presenting them the certificate (which would be a photocopy as I wouldnt trust to send it to them by post)
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 5:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

mnruman wrote:
How do recruiters actually check qualifications and follow up on the?

for example I got my degree in 2009 for MMU how would they check, apart for me presenting them the certificate (which would be a photocopy as I wouldnt trust to send it to them by post)

You'd email your scanned diploma and other documents when you initially apply for a position. I'm not familiar with the degree attestation requirements for Brits, but I suspect a copy of your diploma and not the original gets stamped during the work visa application process. (Your UK university would be contacted for confirmation.) You'd only need to present your original credentials and documents for photocopying once you arrive in country.
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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 6:56 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Several years ago when I arrived and offered my nicely rolled up in its own sturdy tube degree, I watched in shock as the personnel guy took it out, looked at it, and then without warming banged a staple through the top of it and my visa application form. In hindsight we can be a bit over-attached to our possessions, but the passport stapling can seriously screw up your airport procedures when it goes through the barcode.
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mnruman



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PostPosted: Thu May 14, 2015 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hi, MixtecaMike

If you had given them a photocopy and not the original would they have stamped that?

I really dont want my degree messed up with a stamp. I might even laminate it lol or get a replacement from the university, think it costs £40.00
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