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Whereintheworld
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 Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 6:51 am Post subject: Preliminary Contract Binding? |
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I signed an online preliminary contract with a direct hire university, but then got a (much) better offer from another.
Can I break the first? We haven't started processing the visa.
Thank you in advance! |
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plumpy nut
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 2:29 pm Post subject: |
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| I assume the contract was sent by email and then signed by you and scanned and sent back. I this is the case then you have nothing to worry about. Frankly I wouldn't worry about any contract unless the visa process has been started. |
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mnruman
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Go for the better offer, i'm sure the contract isnt binding as they havnt given you anything official. Or try to negociate with them and see if they up their offer. |
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 4:13 pm Post subject: Re: Preliminary Contract Binding? |
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| Whereintheworld wrote: |
I signed an online preliminary contract with a direct hire university, but then got a (much) better offer from another.
Can I break the first? We haven't started processing the visa. |
You need to figure out what you want to do and soon; they may have already started the process at their end since receiving the signed employment agreement from you. See "Employment/work visa authorization process" (http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=108238).
When applying to more than one place, it's always best to wait until all the offers have been presented before signing any agreements. |
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balqis
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 5:29 pm Post subject: |
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Yes, but how long can you wait? The PJOs usually have deadlines, they will not wait endlessly and may withdraw the offer.
I am in a similar position, have waited for more than a week now with one PJO, coz I want very much to see if the second place, which also interviewed me, is going to offer me a job or not.
So how long can you wait?
Besides, how rude would it be to try and negotiate your salary with the university that has offered you the PJO? And, if this uni is government one, i.e. has a rigid structure of salary calculation, is it possible at all? I understand with government places such as KAU, direct hire, there is no room for negotiating your money. Is it not?
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 7:16 pm Post subject: |
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| balqis wrote: |
Yes, but how long can you wait? The PJOs usually have deadlines, they will not wait endlessly and may withdraw the offer. I am in a similar position, have waited for more than a week now with one PJO, coz I want very much to see if the second place, which also interviewed me, is going to offer me a job or not.
So how long can you wait? |
No one can answer that question. This is something you have to be mindful of when responding to multiple job ads. It may work out or it may backfire on you.
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| Besides, how rude would it be to try and negotiate your salary with the university that has offered you the PJO? And, if this uni is government one, i.e. has a rigid structure of salary calculation, is it possible at all? I understand with government places such as KAU, direct hire, there is no room for negotiating your money. Is it not? |
There generally isn't any wiggle room in terms of negotiations with a government direct-hire situation because salary is calculated based on verified experience. Obviously, if you have some desirable skillset or knowledge that the employer may not be aware of, you're in a better position to negotiate, although it still may not get you what you want. But if you believe the offer is unreasonable, simply ask the recruiter what you can do to improve it. If they say that's the best they can offer, then you can either accept it or turn it down. |
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balqis
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 7:53 pm Post subject: |
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Thank you.
Yes, but with KAU there is no recruiter. It is purely direct, from start to end of the recruitment process, it is their HR. So I think there is no room for haggling, and a dispute would be untimely. And do you need bad reputation for the start and from the start? This is how I feel.
Plus I know the pay scale in government places is fixed, and this is one of the major factors that make them stable and desirable to work for.
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nomad soul
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| Posted: Fri May 15, 2015 9:38 pm Post subject: |
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| balqis wrote: |
Yes, but with KAU there is no recruiter. It is purely direct, from start to end of the recruitment process, it is their HR. So I think there is no room for haggling, and a dispute would be untimely. And do you need bad reputation for the start and from the start? This is how I feel.
Plus I know the pay scale in government places is fixed, and this is one of the major factors that make them stable and desirable to work for. |
Yep. It seems you answered your own question. But even pay scales for mainstream government jobs in the US are fairly specific. By the way, direct-hire HR departments generally have in-house recruiting staff as opposed to using an outside agency. |
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