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Guerciotti
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| Maybe in a western country I could understand this more, but it takes a hell of a lot to lose your job in China. |
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Shanghai Noon
Joined: 18 Aug 2013
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Location: Shanghai, China
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 9:37 am Post subject: |
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Fired from 5 jobs in China? Wow. You must be utterly incompetent. If I ever got fired from 1 I would hang my head in shame. But 5!!! Impressive.
I can't even imagine what kind of EFL teacher you must be....
It's also a sad reflection that in China you can be given a 6th chance 
Makes the rest of us look bad. |
It drives up the wages for good workers. Can't really complain. Nice being able to point out you come to work on time and sober and demand a substantial raise. |
Please read the thread before you comment. I was never fired for attendance or intoxication. None of my firings drove up wages for anyone except me.
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| Can I have this translated into English please? |
Is English not your first language?
You seem sufficiently educated to tell others what to do on a matter of labor relations.
Dismissing the entirety of a post (after needlessly quoting it in full) is called a tone argument. But you're not good at it. Before telling someone what to do by repeatedly casting statements in the 2nd person, try the 1st person and ask, "Would I take this advice?"
Just do what you're told...puhleeze. |
If my employer told me (or implied) to change some grades, yes I'd bloody well do it. It doesn't make my life anymore difficult and they're the ones paying my wages. Their school, their money, their rules. |
If your school told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? |
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asiannationmc
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 9:48 am Post subject: |
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| If your school told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? |
I might but only after climbing up on the upper bony ridge of their nose.
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AKChina
Joined: 29 Apr 2015
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:19 pm Post subject: |
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If your school told you to jump off a bridge, would you do it? |
That would fall under the 'making my life more difficult' category, so no, of course I wouldn't.
But really, if your contract says something like 'Teach xx number of English classes a week, and submit grades at the end of the semester', why does it matter to you which numbers your employer wants you to write in the box? It's such a trivial matter - not doing what they want inconveniences everyone including yourself. Doing what they want makes life simpler for all.
And at the end of the day they're going to change the grades anyway, with or without your help. |
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Shanghai Noon
Joined: 18 Aug 2013
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Location: Shanghai, China
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: |
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| So all you care about is making your own life easier. Is that correct? Is that your golden standard for decision making? Is that the direction in which your moral compass points? |
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Deats
Joined: 02 Jan 2015
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 1:42 pm Post subject: |
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If you don't even know the real reason why you didn't have your contract renewed (i.e. same as being sacked) then it could have been for a whole host of reasons.
1) Sacked for poor enrollment - means the parents of prospective kids or current ones didn't think you were good enough.
2) Not putting grades in as requested - you are not even sure if this is the reason. BUT if it is, then it's daft not to do as requested. As others have pointed out, they will change your grades to suit their needs regardless. So easier to play ball than make trouble for everyone.
3) You don't know - i.e. you weren't good enough to teach there.
In China they are desperate for white faces and will usually keep you on as long as possible. This fact is proven as you keep finding new 'better' jobs even with your CV, which hardly sounds appealing.
I personally wouldn't be advertising that no position will keep me beyond a year. Although I appreciate your honesty, which is refreshing. |
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AKChina
Joined: 29 Apr 2015
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| So all you care about is making your own life easier. Is that correct? Is that your golden standard for decision making? Is that the direction in which your moral compass points? |
Of course that's the golden standard for decision making. Evaluate the risk vs reward of doing something as simple as writing a 5 in the box rather than a 4. You keep your job, the money keeps flowing in, the boss is happy and the students are happy. By not changing it, everyone is unhappy and you risk losing your job and not having an income.
Back home you'd have to do things you didn't much like too in the course of your employment. Quite frankly only an absolute idiot would 'take a stand' over altering grades. It's not your school and those students and the school are the ones paying your wages, so suck it up and do it.
If I were an employer and you said you'd been dismissed for not altering grades, my first thought would be that you're likely going to be a high maintenance employee. |
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Shanghai Noon
Joined: 18 Aug 2013
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Location: Shanghai, China
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| Posted: Mon May 18, 2015 2:19 pm Post subject: |
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If you don't even know the real reason why you didn't have your contract renewed (i.e. same as being sacked) then it could have been for a whole host of reasons.
1) Sacked for poor enrollment - means the parents of prospective kids or current ones didn't think you were good enough.
2) Not putting grades in as requested - you are not even sure if this is the reason. BUT if it is, then it's daft not to do as requested. As others have pointed out, they will change your grades to suit their needs regardless. So easier to play ball than make trouble for everyone.
3) You don't know - i.e. you weren't good enough to teach there.
In China they are desperate for white faces and will usually keep you on as long as possible. This fact is proven as you keep finding new 'better' jobs even with your CV, which hardly sounds appealing.
I personally wouldn't be advertising that no position will keep me beyond a year. Although I appreciate your honesty, which is refreshing. |
1) I was fired before I taught a single class.
2) I don't care if it's "daft." I am not doing that. They very strongly implied that this was the case but they could not say it explicitly because it would open them up to a wrongful dismissal suit.
3) That is very possible but it happened over two years ago and I don't exactly lose sleep over it now. To be honest, it's much scarier to think where I might be if I hadn't been fired.
I was asked a question and I answered honestly. You don't know if I am or am not white so please don't make assumptions. I also just got promoted at my current job effective September so I can keep a job longer than one year. I got better jobs because of a combination of qualifications, connections and luck. My school now doesn't care about skin color. Now if you are so interested in my employment history maybe you should ask me by PM because this discussion has gone on for over a page now and it's not relevant to the original topic. |
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