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chgozman



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:24 pm    Post subject: Age Discrimination Reply with quote

This may have been covered, but it would take time to search the thousands of posts to find an exact answer I would imagine.

I was just emailing a recruiter for Korea jobs, and one of her email asked how old I was, and then her next reply was that Korea tends to prefer recent graduates. Isn't this discrimination outright? Do I have any recourse for this since I do have the emails proving our conversation?
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 8:46 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You're making the mistake of assuming that discrimination laws worldwide/in Korea are the same as in your home country.

You'll want to do quite a lot more research on this (and probably other related issues of race, gender, marital status, and etc.) before moving abroad so that you're not taken unhappily by surprise by what might be considered discrimination in the US.

For example, it is entirely usual to ask for photos, marital status, age, and nationality when applying for jobs most European countries.
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Sashadroogie



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Questions about family planning are considered fair game in some countries too...
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Tue May 19, 2015 9:34 pm    Post subject: Re: Age Discrimination Reply with quote

chgozman wrote:
This may have been covered, but it would take time to search the thousands of posts to find an exact answer I would imagine.

I was just emailing a recruiter for Korea jobs, and one of her email asked how old I was, and then her next reply was that Korea tends to prefer recent graduates. Isn't this discrimination outright? Do I have any recourse for this since I do have the emails proving our conversation?


Bias bordering on outright discrimination is widely practiced globally and in many countries the practice is actually endorsed by their governments.

You have NO protection other than look for another recruiter and keep trying.

Blond hair, big boobs, a slender waist, a pretty face, a fresh degree and no experience will trump an experienced male with a related PhD for jobs in entry level EFL in Asia.

In Asia it is typical to ask for age, race, gender, marital status, academic background, photo, health and any number of other non-job-related factors.

Some of these are visa related: academics, citizenship, marital status, medical, age (over 55, 60 or 62 in some countries) and background check.
Some are employer related: race (rather than citizenship), pretty face, nice personality, age (young, recent graduate preferred).

Your constitutional / civil rights do NOT extend beyond the borders of your home country. There is no recourse. Your option is to acquiesce & learn to live with it, move on or stay home.

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hdeth



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PostPosted: Wed May 20, 2015 12:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't know that there's a preference for fresh degrees in every job. Maybe at language schools, but at unis and high schools they try to avoid hiring kids. Too likely that they will just fool around, bail early, or have sex with students. Late 20's or in your 30's is more what they prefer in China at least. A bit of maturity but not too much.

Discrimination is the norm in China. Employers are practical. My girlfriend has difficulty finding a decent job because she's 30 and they think she'll get married and/or pregnant at any time and then they're liable for honeymoon pay and/or maternity leave (yes, they have both in China and it's mandatory).

If you're over 45 it starts to get tougher. Over 55 there start to be legal restrictions on whether you can get a work visa or not.

Bear in mind that, at least in China, it's expected you retire at 55 or so because you're old and feeble.
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scot47



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PostPosted: Thu May 21, 2015 10:23 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In KSA older teachers are definitely preferred bit the Ministry in Riyadh frown on the really aged and discourages the practice, I had a colleague who reluctantly retired at the age of 80. I shall not name the university.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink,
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wangdaning



Joined: 22 Jan 2008
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PostPosted: Fri May 22, 2015 10:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

hdeth wrote:

Bear in mind that, at least in China, it's expected you retire at 55 or so because you're old and feeble.


Yet they are tasked with caring for the children (in general, but not in my house). Silly, my mother in-law still can't see how my mom keeps working. My mom has no choice, no retirement, nothing. She will work to the end (gonna hate that).
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Gamajorba



Joined: 03 May 2015
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:00 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

scot47 wrote:
In KSA older teachers are definitely preferred bit the Ministry in Riyadh frown on the really aged and discourages the practice, I had a colleague who reluctantly retired at the age of 80. I shall not name the university.

Nudge, nudge, wink, wink,


I get that feeling...I'm literally the youngest bar 1 person by a good decade out of all my colleagues, and it definitely reflects in the students attitudes..
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