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yowie



Joined: 16 May 2015
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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:13 am    Post subject: Maritime English Teaching Reply with quote

Hello there, I am an Australian seafarer and am trying to get into the Maritime Teaching trade. I will complete my CELTA in July and would like to know if anyone has any contacts or teaching experience in this field? I am currently in discussion with two Chines maritime schools, and have sent emails to many others in Asia without any replies. Any small bit of information will be helpful as this is such a specialist industry, so please don’t hesitate in contacting me.

Regards, Dave.
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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:50 am    Post subject: Re: Maritime English Teaching Reply with quote

yowie wrote:
Hello there, I am an Australian seafarer and am trying to get into the Maritime Teaching trade. I will complete my CELTA in July and would like to know if anyone has any contacts or teaching experience in this field? I am currently in discussion with two Chines maritime schools, and have sent emails to many others in Asia without any replies. Any small bit of information will be helpful as this is such a specialist industry, so please don’t hesitate in contacting me.

Regards, Dave.


IF you have a bachelor's degree to go with your maritime experience and you shiny new CELTA then keep hitting the job boards. You may have to bite the bullet and take some EFL work to gain some experience and classroom time before you find your specialist teaching position.

If you do NOT have a degree then it is moot. The visa requirements for most of Asia, for ANYONE wishing to become a teacher, include a minimum of being educated to a 1st degree level and there are no "equivalent to" cases. Either you have one or you don't and immigration services in various countries don't care about your "other qualifications".

You might find work (as a teacher) without a degree but it won't be legal, won't come with a proper visa and permits, and will put you at risk as an illegal, migrant worker.

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yowie



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 4:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks for that. Apparently there are plenty of people teaching Maritime English, but none with Maritime experience, and it is becoming a problem in the schools. From other MET’s I have spoken to the schools are more interested in Maritime experience, not Bachelors degrees, but a degree would guarantee work.
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Unrung School Bell



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 5:22 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Do you mean actually teaching on ships? My guess is that sounds adventurous, sailing the high seas, but life on a ship can be quite dull and even maddening with the constant drone of engines, and the impossibility of going anywhere. If you are on a ship at sea, there is no way off, and nowhere to go for hundreds of miles once you're out to sea. It's like people who think it would be great to be an air steward. It seems romantic traveling all over the world, but the fact is you're confined to a small space, a narrow aisle blocked by your own cart, trying to hear the demands of the passengers over the roar of the engines for hours on end. No where to go, and then jet-lagged and exhausted when you reach your destination. The next day you have to do it all over again. Please correct me if I am mistaken or have misunderstood.

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suphanburi



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 6:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

yowie wrote:
Thanks for that. Apparently there are plenty of people teaching Maritime English, but none with Maritime experience, and it is becoming a problem in the schools. From other MET’s I have spoken to the schools are more interested in Maritime experience, not Bachelors degrees, but a degree would guarantee work.


The problem is that immigration in most countries requires "teachers" to have a degree to be a teacher.

No degree = no visa, regardless of your experience and regardless of what the schools want or prefer (just the same as it is in your home country).

Your options are teacher in your home country (visa not required - but higher qualifications may be needed) or add a degree to your credentials and open up markets abroad.

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yowie



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 7:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks Unrung School Bell, I am actually writing this email from my bunk on a ship off the West Coast of Australia. I have been doing this for 10 years and need a change. An old seaman once told me ‘Being at sea is like being in jail, with the possibility of drowning’ and that about sums it up.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 12:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think we can assume no degree. Narrows things down very considerably, as government regulations are government regulations. Same as in maritime regulations.
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yowie



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 12:24 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Yes, spiral78, I don’t have a degree, gold star to you.

As I was saying, if anyone has taught Maritime English, or has any contacts in this field, please contact me.
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spiral78



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:09 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You mean "...any contacts in this field in a country where a degree is not a legal requirement to teach." To be realistic about it. There are some such countries, though the ones I am personally familiar with are landlocked.

I think Latin America would be a possible option and suggest you post in the LA forum below with your query. There's some coastline there, according to my globe, and I think that many countries in the region don't require a degree for teaching (but ask the experts on the other forum!).

Probably best to be open about what quals you have and don't have, in order for people to be genuinely helpful. It's not very useful to gather info from people in countries where a degree is a legal requirement for work if you don't have one.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 1:37 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yowie wrote:
I don’t have a degree.

Instead of limiting yourself to maritime English jobs in the limited number of countries that don't require a university degree (you'll likely be looking for an eternity), I suggest you consider where you can first teach plain English. That would be Mexico, Central America, and South America. Pay a visit to those discussion forums.
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santi84



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 3:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

yowie wrote:
Thanks Unrung School Bell, I am actually writing this email from my bunk on a ship off the West Coast of Australia. I have been doing this for 10 years and need a change. An old seaman once told me ‘Being at sea is like being in jail, with the possibility of drowning’ and that about sums it up.


Regardless of our personal motivations, we still need to follow legal requirements, which means a degree in many locations. If you can't meet legal work standards, it is no surprise you aren't getting bites on e-mails. Remember, any company willing to skirt legal requirements may have no qualms about skipping your paycheques or following labour standards.

So, before dismissing previous posters with sarcastic quips, consider they are urging you not to set yourself up for a ripoff.
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Gamajorba



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 6:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe the Saudi Navy in Dhahran?
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Gamajorba wrote:
Maybe the Saudi Navy in Dhahran?

How likely would that be? If such a job exists, the OP would still need at minimum a BA degree, TEFL qualification, and teaching experience to qualify. Plus, a degree is required for a visa.
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AGoodStory



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PostPosted: Sat May 23, 2015 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hello, Yowie, and welcome to the cafe! Are you under 30? If so, Australia has reciprocal working holiday agreements with a number of countries. While this won't help you long-term, you might be able to get a year's experience under your belt with the WH visa.

And where are you doing your CELTA?

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yowie



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PostPosted: Sun May 24, 2015 2:11 am    Post subject: Maritime teaching Reply with quote

All apologies about my sarcasm, after 30 days straight with 2-3 hours sleep a day, I can get a little prickly.

I understand my limitations without a degree, and am also looking into Mongolia and South America to try and get some teaching experience, my other option is a study Japanese in Japan for a year and work legally with a student visa. I am in contact with a guy called Dave at the Nohingo School in Kyoto. I am not sure I could do the same thing in China, I am 45 and may be to old, but that is possibly an option I should be looking at?
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