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Gamajorba
Joined: 03 May 2015
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| jaffa wrote: |
The first question new classes (adults) always asked me was "What salary?"
I always answered, A, none of your business, Mohammed. And B, more than you.
Shut them up every time and they spent the rest of the course guessing/asking around what it was. |
Yep, same here.
I often gave them a seemingly measly figure just to keep them happy e.g. 9000SAR a month. Which is actually the same (if not a bit less) as most of my students anyway. |
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mnruman
Joined: 30 Mar 2015
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Location: Manchester, UK
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:21 am Post subject: |
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| Wow didnt think students would be asking that question, I suppose adult students to tend to be nosy. |
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Gamajorba
Joined: 03 May 2015
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| Posted: Tue May 26, 2015 9:45 am Post subject: |
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| mnruman wrote: |
| Wow didnt think students would be asking that question, I suppose adult students to tend to be nosy. |
The noseyness doesn't stop at salaries. Yet if you ask them the same questions, they shy away like a child... |
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In the heat of the moment
Joined: 22 May 2015
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Location: Italy
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| Posted: Sat May 30, 2015 8:58 am Post subject: |
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I earn a bagillion, gazillion gnoots per month.
Now, what have we learned and how can we gain by this? |
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buravirgil
Joined: 23 Jan 2014
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Location: Jiangxi Province, China
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ttxor1
Joined: 04 Jan 2014
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| Posted: Sun May 31, 2015 10:58 am Post subject: Re: Disclosing your salary on the forums |
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| nomad soul wrote: |
Money, money, money, money. Money!
Some people got to have it.
Hey, Hey, Hey.
Some people really need it.*
What's your take on disclosing one's personal salary to others, including coworkers?
Do you feel there's an obligation to share such info on this forum and/or with coworkers because it's helpful? Moreover, do you trust what others say they earn? Or do you suspect some people inflate those numbers?
On the other hand, do you withhold info about your salary from others? You may feel it's no one's business what you or anyone else makes (for whatever reason).
Your comments are welcome.
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* "For the Love of Money" by the O'Jays (www.lyricsbox.com/the-ojays-lyrics-for-the-love-of-money-74l2rfl.html) |
I don't think anyone should do anything they're not comfortable doing, especially if it is something that is as sensitive as disclosing one's salary. But, we're all here to help each other out, right? if it helps a teacher make a decision about whether or not to take the job, and you feel comfortable disclosing, then pray tell!
Yea, for sure, some teachers inflate their salaries, but, hopefully, they can be called out by another poster. It muddies the water, though, when one discloses a salary without revealing their experience, quals and nationality, cuz, as we all know, this makes a difference. Ditto when one asks about how much they should get without sharing info about their background. |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
Posts: 11454
Location: The real world
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 6:08 am Post subject: |
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| ttxor1 wrote: |
| Yea, for sure, some teachers inflate their salaries, but, hopefully, they can be called out by another poster. It muddies the water, though, when one discloses a salary without revealing their experience, quals and nationality, cuz, as we all know, this makes a difference. Ditto when one asks about how much they should get without sharing info about their background. |
That's not the only issue. Those asking on the forum if X salary offer is good or how much their qualifications can (realistically) get them will end up with a mixed bag of confusing responses---some replies will be on point, while others argue for the "pipe dream" salary. |
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jobsworthjohn
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
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| Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 3:59 pm Post subject: |
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| What might be a mixed bag of confusing responses to some may well be a mine of potentially useful information for others. I can offer my own example - by just reading discussions on the forum, and not having even stepped into the magic Kingdom yet, I reckon I have a good idea of what to realistically expect for someone in my position. I am now in a much better position to secure a reasonable contract agreement than I was before reading these. So share what you can.!! |
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travelbug66
Joined: 27 May 2015
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 5:11 pm Post subject: |
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If you want a high salary in Saudi Arabia, the best jobs I know of, are Saudi Aramco - up to £5000 a month but you need to pay for your accommodation.
Saudi Electric Services Polytechic - £48,000 a year.
BAE Systems - £42,000 plus bonus up to £5000
And I think the American Military Contracters around $70,000.
The average 'decent job' is paying around £34,000.
People who go to Saudi Arabia for $30,000 are a disgrace to the teaching profession, and as has been said here before.
Teachers accepting low wages/bad conditions drives the salary downwards.
I see BAE Systems is now employing contract teachers for $46,000 a year, so even this job is being slowly dismantled. |
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nomad soul
Joined: 31 Jan 2010
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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| People who go to Saudi Arabia for $30,000 are a disgrace to the teaching profession, and as has been said here before. Teachers accepting low wages/bad conditions drives the salary downwards. |
How do you conclude that teachers who accept low wages are a "disgrace" and "drive the salary downwards?" Frankly, there are so many contracting companies operating in KSA---each with their own salary chart. There's no consistency between companies, but there's certainly competition.
Contracting companies look at each applicant's nationality and qualifications/experience on an individual basis in determining pay. For example, Al-Shazam requires, at minimum, a generic BA, a TEFL cert, and 2 years of experience with adult students. That generally hits the low end of the salary range indicated on their job posting and is what Foghorn Leghorn gets because he meets those base requirements. However, Elmer Fudd applies with his generic BA, a TEFL cert, but 18 months of experience teaching orphans in Zimbabwe. Al-Shazam is short their inventory of teachers and decides to hire Elmer despite his not-quite-there qualifications. They offer him less than Foghorn, which Elmer happily accepts, and the world is a better place for it. |
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Makkah
Joined: 08 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 7:56 pm Post subject: |
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| I think it is more ˇdesperation" than being a "disgrace". |
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jobsworthjohn
Joined: 28 Sep 2014
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| Perhaps desperation, maybe lack of experience, could be shortcomings in matching criteria as NS pointed out. Might even just be bad luck. Mssrs Leghon and Fudd certainly had lady luck play a part. Now if old Leghorm had applied to alMashaz instead they might have offered him another 10% on top. But because he hadn't been reading the discussions on a certain forum he wasn't the wiser. So he went for Shazam. Which he'll likely regret soon. But poor Fudd was sure he didn't have a chance as his experience didn't really count he was told. So he jumped at the one offer that came his way. As someone said it's a merry world go round. |
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yep
Joined: 24 Jun 2014
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| Posted: Mon Jun 08, 2015 8:10 pm Post subject: |
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| They are a scourge on the industry, whores every last one of them! |
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veiledsentiments
Joined: 20 Feb 2003
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Location: USA
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 12:31 am Post subject: |
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| yep wrote: |
| They are a scourge on the industry, whores every last one of them! |
I assume that you are including yourself in that profession... just doin' it for the money...
VS |
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Makkah
Joined: 08 Oct 2014
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| Posted: Tue Jun 09, 2015 2:58 am Post subject: |
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| Where I'm based one guy actually said 'I feel blessed because of what I do here' Obviously not doing it for the money. We are still trying to figure it out. |
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