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Deats
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If you have to pay for a remark, I would think IELTS would want you to question the results so they could make more money? I would also think examiners re-marking the papers would have the suggestion made to them that changing the scores costs the company money...
Obviously this is just my cynical side at work  |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Sun Jun 14, 2015 4:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Deats wrote: |
| If you have to pay for a remark, I would think IELTS would want you to question the results so they could make more money? I would also think examiners re-marking the papers would have the suggestion made to them that changing the scores costs the company money... |
No, and no.
As Sasha related, challenges are disincentivized because the alternative cannot be afforded. Secondly, corrupting an auditing procedure degrades data. The development of testing procedure is continuous. Do you believe what you've suggested isn't an obvious scenario? To a department of relatively educated people tasked with objectives?
Misconduct is an issue with all enterprise, so you're right in a way. But you're proposing a hypothetical that's an abstraction of motives. |
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HLJHLJ
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 5:15 am Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| If something tripped a switch in the IELTS system, the candidates wouldn't necessarily be told about it. The re-marking just happens as needed, and then the results are released. |
| Mr. Leafy wrote: |
She wouldn't know that.
It might have been second marked and the original bands could have stood, or been changed but she'd only see the final mark. |
In the past when I've had students with significantly jagged profiles, their results have been delayed with a message along the lines of 'results being withheld for quality and monitoring purposes'. I always took it to be a sign of an auto re-mark, is that not the case? |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:19 am Post subject: |
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| HLJHLJ wrote: |
| In the past when I've had students with significantly jagged profiles, their results have been delayed with a message along the lines of 'results being withheld for quality and monitoring purposes'. I always took it to be a sign of an auto re-mark, is that not the case? |
Likely, or maybe an armed insurrection in the grading dungeons. |
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scot47
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:30 am Post subject: |
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| "The grading dungeons". Well put. When in Dhahran I was surprised at the number of teachers who would give up one day of their weekend to earn a few hundred riyals. Amongst these Stakhanovites were many from BAe - at that time the best paid EFL job on Planet Terra. |
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buravirgil
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 6:37 am Post subject: |
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The work loads are problematic.
In another thread, a grader related a perception of applying a discretion to scores...any perception of discretion is anathema to design and indicates inadequate training...in theory. Rubrics of criteria (and their algorithms) are developed at no small cost and proprietary. Their security results in a sacrosanct treatment over time and defensive positions from management. Pursuing profits presents stresses and priorities misaligned to human behavior and what people will report is not what they really believe and potential flaws persist. |
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Mr. Leafy
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 1:02 pm Post subject: |
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| HLJHLJ wrote: |
In the past when I've had students with significantly jagged profiles, their results have been delayed with a message along the lines of 'results being withheld for quality and monitoring purposes'. I always took it to be a sign of an auto re-mark, is that not the case? |
But the lack of that does not mean it wasn't checked, just perhaps that it was done quickly.
Also, the above comment could mean it was someone doing their first ever examining or regular standardisation/monitoring, nothing to do with the candidate. |
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HLJHLJ
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| Posted: Mon Jun 15, 2015 8:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Mr. Leafy wrote: |
But the lack of that does not mean it wasn't checked, just perhaps that it was done quickly.
Also, the above comment could mean it was someone doing their first ever examining or regular standardisation/monitoring, nothing to do with the candidate. |
Useful to know, thanks! |
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