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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 1:31 pm Post subject: 20 Years After- I'm Outta Here! :D |
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I recently went to China for nearly three years; taught at a university in GZ for three years and loved it. Wanted to stay but hit a bump in the road and, as a permanent resident of Japan, came back to Japan.
I've had nothing but trouble here, have been unable to find a job of any value, I speak and read Japanese fluently (JLPT 1) but no one seems to care at all, I have long experience as a test tutor (trying to focus on TOEIC) but could not find any place to teach; in short, despite having decades of experience and many credentials, I was not even able to get low-level 1000 yen an hour job, much less a 'prestigious' job like an ALT!
And today I got stopped by the cops while I was simply walking down the street. They said they were 'profiling' the neighborhood for foreigners (I'm a U.S. whitey), and that's 'why' they stopped me. They asked me where I worked, asked for my resident card and phone number, why I was in Japan (I have permanent residency duh), and if I knew any other foreigners around in the area. I told them I was unemployed (which is mostly true) as I didn't want to mention any private lessons (though they are perfectly legal) and one cop laughed out loud with a 'that figures' look on his face and said, 'Taihen desu ne!'.
Is any of this even legal??
I came here with 10,000 USD to get started and a year later I'm down to my last 1000. I can't wait to get back to China, where I found a job within a week of looking. This place (Fukuoka) is a c••p hole. |
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Pitarou
Joined: 16 Nov 2009 Posts: 1116 Location: Narita, Japan
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 2:28 pm Post subject: |
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I'm really sorry to hear that. After all that effort to learn Japanese, you'd have thought you'd have earned a modicum of respect.
Wishing you every success in your future endeavours. |
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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 3:27 pm Post subject: |
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Pitarou wrote: |
I'm really sorry to hear that. After all that effort to learn Japanese, you'd have thought you'd have earned a modicum of respect.
Wishing you every success in your future endeavours. |
Thanks a lot. To be fair, I ran a successful language school for over ten years, and was a very active member in my community. I was married to a Japanese woman and we have two beautiful kids. I think I got a lot of good use out of my Japanese. And learning kanji has made it pretty easy to learn to read Chinese.
I know there are racial and xenophobic issues here; Japanese society in general tends to shun a 50 year old foreigner living alone even if he does speak Japanese, and the average person is quite friendly. I know that plenty of Japanese are having a hard time too.
But my experience is truthful and it is what it is. Best to move on.
So I'm not bitter- just no country for old men! |
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Mr. Leafy

Joined: 24 Apr 2012 Posts: 246 Location: North of the Wall
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:48 pm Post subject: |
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Sorry to hear that. Ever since I left four years ago I've toyed with the idea of going back but the job situation looks horrible. Non-entry level jobs now are paying the same or less than I got as a newbie 20 years ago. Good luck in China. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Wed Jul 01, 2015 11:51 pm Post subject: |
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Yep, you might think you would get respect but the opposite is true.
After 40 it gets tough.
I got rejected from Kanagawa University for being too old.
Younger teachers are preferred since they get paid less and put up with more.
The more Japanese you learn, the more you can be criticised for, in such a fault-finding culture.
I plan on leaving next year.
The yen is weak. You can make money in China. I know a teacher (4 who left his family in Tokyo and works outside Shanghai.
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Shakey
Joined: 29 Aug 2014 Posts: 199
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 4:22 am Post subject: |
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mitsui wrote: |
After 40 it gets tough. I got rejected from Kanagawa University for being too old. |
Universities won't hire anyone over 35, at least many universities won't. They used to explicitly state this in the JREC-IN job advertisements, but I think it is not longer permissible.
Still, if you're over 40 then good luck in getting into a university teaching position. Even if it is a dead end non-renewable contract, it will be really difficult to get hired once you are over 40. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:09 am Post subject: |
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Some do.
Yokohama City University doesn't care about age.
Asia University, Tokai University, and Kansai Gaidai, as well.
Many teachers work part-time so then they can get work, regardless of age.
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Shakey
Joined: 29 Aug 2014 Posts: 199
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Posted: Thu Jul 02, 2015 5:43 pm Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
The more Japanese you learn, the worse you're treated in general.
I think for the best reaction, what you need to do is speak as much English as possible in many situations. Then, when they can't understand you, and panic, you can switch to Japanese and they'll be somewhat thankful.
Some people though, if you start off by speaking relatively good Japanese, I think they feel threatened. |
Yes, I agree with this. Many years ago, I spoke to a fellow American eikaiwa teacher who was proficient in Japanese. He told me, "When dating J-girls, don't speak too much Japanese. They want to hear English. If you speak too much Japanese, you lose your gaijin-ess." |
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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 6:45 am Post subject: |
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nightsintodreams wrote: |
The more Japanese you learn, the worse you're treated in general. That's what I've realised anyway. Its definitely worse in the inaka though.
I can't fucking stand it to be honest, im going to lose it with one of them these days.
I think for the best reaction, what you need to do is speak as much English as possible in many situations. Then when they can't understand you and panic, you can switch to Japanese and they'll be somewhat thankful.
Some people though, if you start off by speaking relatively good Japanese, I think they feel threatened. Perhaps they fee like you're underestimating their english ability or something (whether they can speak any or not). |
I find it really sad reading this post by 'nightsintodreams.' For one thing, you just never see posts like this from other countries, no matter what the complaints are (there always are those of course).
I guess my first reaction to this and similar observations is to question why in the world would you want to live in a place where the people neither respect nor are pleased by a person's efforts to learn their language and their culture? That is about the most deflating feeling imaginable. In China, quite a few people gave me a hard time for getting things wrong in the language, and I sometimes got ignored when the other person could not understand me, but overwhelmingly most people were very encouraging in helping me in my efforts. I definitely had a greater sense of belonging (though I was still a 'Westerner' of course), and did not feel marginalized or forced into a stereotype to the extent I feel here.
Married to a Japanese, owning an English school, raising kids, fluent in Japanese, in speaking, reading, and in the local dialect, I think there was a point in my community at least where I felt I broke the boundary of being an 'honorary' Japanese and for some years was treated like everyone else, for the most part. I'm not saying that was an accomplishment; it was just how my life worked out and the best I could do. I had some great times back then, I have to say.
But if you're a single white person in your late 40's or older you will probably have a very tough time here, no matter how good your language skills are, what your professional and academic experience is, what your credentials are, or what your visa status is. It could be a lot better I suppose if you have connections. I can't speak for other ethnic groups, though I suspect it's much worse in many ways, even if at least manual labor is an option (it was not for me at 'Hello Work' where I begged for anything- slowly being squeezed out economically is what happened to me). I also can't speak for older Japanese who are being squeezed out as well, but I hear they are suffering, and the suicide rate clearly shows it. It's been said that Japan is a shame culture, and if that is true, the surface is obviously going to be all smiles and rituals to hide that shame. Japan seems to be a nation of frightened people desperately pretending that everything is OK when clearly it's declining.
In any case, again, it is absolutely mortifying for me to hear people actually pretending that they cannot speak Japanese (or Japanese pretending they can't speak English), and to have had people actually tell me to make my resume look like I'm less educated as it's 'too intimidating.' I admit that I am proud of my accomplishments and think it would be disgraceful to hide any of them. Any society that does not value, reward, and make the best use of talent that it can is on its way down. At this point I can think of no idea why I would ever continue on trying to live here. As far as I can tell, Japan has always been extremely myopic and still refuses to grow out of it. I wonder when or if this society ever wakes up? I'd give away my permanent residency to somebody if I could. |
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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 7:51 am Post subject: |
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Two hours later- just an update.
The police who stopped me the other day just came to my apartment. They wanted to 'check if I was doing OK.' And to double check that I was 'American' (though they didn't ask for i.d.).
It seems to me that this is just harassment.
This place is getting creepier all the time. I kind of feel like the police can come back anytime they want and search my house or whatever (all they'll find is some pasta and cans of sardines). Can't wait to leave. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 8:54 am Post subject: |
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People who seem to thrive here seem to not be honest,
and can act fake. British and Australians are better at it than me.
I am from New York and I cannot fake it.
So some people are going to dislike me since I am "too American" or too honest. It doesn't matter how good my Japanese gets as I am just a gaijin.
This culture has enough people who mentally live in a small town and are judgmental and gossip.
They are not ready for the 21st century and really want to go backward.
Being racist or xenophobic is not seen as a character flaw.
When I lived in Morocco, Poland or Russia I never felt this.
Japan is just a club and we can't even be an honorary member.
I think some bigger cities are worse: Tokyo, Nagoya, and maybe Fukuoka. |
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mitsui
Joined: 10 Jun 2007 Posts: 1562 Location: Kawasaki
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 9:07 am Post subject: |
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I can say what I heard from a friend who went to a church in Kanagawa.
The females were nice but the minister pretended to not notice him.
Why? His color?
Pathetic. If you are Christian, you have to be friendly and not shun people because they have a different color than you. |
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bluetortilla

Joined: 18 Apr 2006 Posts: 815 Location: Henan
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:08 am Post subject: |
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mitsui wrote: |
It doesn't matter how good my Japanese gets as I am just a gaijin.
This culture has enough people who mentally live in a small town and are judgmental and gossip.
They are not ready for the 21st century and really want to go backward.
Being racist or xenophobic is not seen as a character flaw. |
Growing up in the U.S. and looking at that nation today, I realize there are still very serious problems with racism. But nothing like when I was a boy, and nothing at all like it was before the 1960's. If you were Asian in the 1950's in America, you probably couldn't get a hotel room. Absolutely not if you were black (which without a doubt still happens today). My point is that Japan, devastated by WWII and under the American umbrella ever since seems to be decades behind other nations in terms of growing out of disgusting and dehumanizing racism. Because it has never really had to struggle on its own to build its own foreign policy and defense with its Asian neighbors, it hasn't grown much and remains ignorant of the rest of the world because it doesn't have to deal with its neighbors.
Just a theory anyway. Having lived in China now, I have no doubt in my mind that this country is in for a seriously rude awakening. And I don't think that's going to be far off. In fact, I think we're seeing the beginning of it now.
mitsui wrote: |
When I lived in Morocco, Poland or Russia I never felt this.
Japan is just a club and we can't even be an honorary member. |
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Nor have I felt this kind of racism in all the places I've been, no matter how rural. At least, not this uniform and overwhelming. I think it's important to remember that in terms of exclusionary racist attitudes Japan is definitely the minority in this attitude, and the rest of the world the majority.
It's also important to acknowledge the lovely people we do know and love here and not lump them into the ugly lumpy gravy that is racist Japan. |
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Maitoshi
Joined: 04 May 2014 Posts: 718 Location: 何処でも
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 11:47 am Post subject: |
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bluetortilla wrote: |
It's also important to acknowledge the lovely people we do know and love here and not lump them into the ugly lumpy gravy that is racist Japan. |
This. |
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dove
Joined: 01 Oct 2003 Posts: 271 Location: USA/Japan
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Posted: Sat Jul 04, 2015 3:28 pm Post subject: |
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Sometimes I miss Japan and think about returning (I still have 7 months on my work visa). But then I think about why I left and i know that I have most likely closed that chapter. I found myself hating the passive aggression and the fear of what other's think. It got to me. Like when one of my supervisors told me about teacher evaluations from students: "We don't really pay much attention to them because most students just check the 'average' box. Even if they loved your class, they probably wouldn't check the highest category. it would make them appear too emotional and that is something Japanese people avoid." Or "Don't tell your students you are taking a day off to go to a hot spring. Lie and tell them you are going to a training workshop. Otherwise, they might think you aren't serious about your job." All this worrying about what people MIGHT think just got to me and I had to get out.
Lack of sympathy/empathy from other foreigners also go to me. Why is it that when foreigners in Japan get together it's suspect-- a foreign bubble? But in other countries it's maintaining traditions, culture and it's part of the mosaic? And the oneupmanship--ranging from "I know more kanji than you" to "I have more Japanese friends than you' to "I do rice-planting every year so I know the real Japan" also got to me.
But I still love my friends there and I love traditional things like moon viewing. |
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