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VietCanada
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| One cannot expect serious responses unless one has presented serious propositions. Sorry, old bean. |
At least you understand that. Now if you could just see how it applies to someone posting on the VN board who has never actually worked in VN then we could call it a night eh? |
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ExpatLuke
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:00 pm Post subject: |
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| VietCanada wrote: |
| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| One cannot expect serious responses unless one has presented serious propositions. Sorry, old bean. |
At least you understand that. Now if you could just see how it applies to someone posting on the VN board who has never actually worked in VN then we could call it a night eh? |
I work and live in Vietnam, and I agree with everything Sashadroogie has said. Whereas everything you've said has been comical at best and calls into question your mental state at worse. |
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esl_prof
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| Posted: Sun Aug 02, 2015 7:26 pm Post subject: |
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| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| I work and live in Vietnam, and I agree with everything Sashadroogie has said. |
Yes, but your opinion doesn't count because you're not a "qualified" teacher. If you were, you wouldn't be posting on this board. The rest of our opinions don't count either because we've never worked or taught in Vietnam. Therefore, the only individuals who have a right to speak and be heard are unqualified teachers who have lived and worked in Vietnam. Now if we can just figure out who meets those criteria . . .  |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:26 pm Post subject: |
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| esl_prof wrote: |
| ExpatLuke wrote: |
| I work and live in Vietnam, and I agree with everything Sashadroogie has said. |
Yes, but your opinion doesn't count because you're not a "qualified" teacher. If you were, you wouldn't be posting on this board. The rest of our opinions don't count either because we've never worked or taught in Vietnam. Therefore, the only individuals who have a right to speak and be heard are unqualified teachers who have lived and worked in Vietnam. Now if we can just figure out who meets those criteria . . . |
So now it's down to being obtuse.
Good luck with that! |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 2:43 pm Post subject: |
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'How's that workin' out for ya!'
'Good luck with that!'
'[Insert random word here] much?'
'Google is your friend.'
Stock phrases that any teenager can be relied on to utter in a beleaguered attempt to sound like they have not lost an argument. Youth can be claimed as a sort of excuse. But for those with a putative ten years of experience in ... anything, it seems a little desperate. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
'How's that workin' out for ya!'
'Good luck with that!'
'[Insert random word here] much?'
'Google is your friend.'
Stock phrases that any teenager can be relied on to utter in a beleaguered attempt to sound like they have not lost an argument. Youth can be claimed as a sort of excuse. But for those with a putative ten years of experience in ... anything, it seems a little desperate. |
Once again I have no idea whatsoever what you are doing on the VN board.
Why don't you go to this thread on the Newbie board IIRC and debate with these posters who are clearly stating that a TEFL to teach adults is not the best idea for teaching in SE Asia.I haven't posted there.(is that why?)
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=111728
I know why!!!
Because you think you can come to this board and lie and no-one will notice or question you!
How's that working out for you sailor? |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 3:56 pm Post subject: |
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Be very careful about throwing around strong words like 'lie'. That is a dangerous word that requires serious thought before use. Especially as it is open to challenge: show me, and others, where I have lied, please.
I am entitled to post on any board I wish to. I have as much to contribute to this topic as you do. More, it seems. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:19 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
Be very careful about throwing around strong words like 'lie'. That is a dangerous word that requires serious thought before use. Especially as it is open to challenge: show me, and others, where I have lied, please.
I am entitled to post on any board I wish to. I have as much to contribute to this topic as you do. More, it seems. |
You have lied often. Especially in your misinterpretations of what I've posted.
You are a liar.
You should not be on this board. You can be if you wish afaik but that doesn't mean that you should be.
Common sense dictates that since you have never taught a class in VN, you have never been here to search or apply for a job, that you should not be posting here. You obviously have nothing of any value specific to VN to say.
You were rebuffed when you attacked on-line TEFL certs
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=106157&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=30
So you just ignore that and other failures and continue to attack other posters on this board whose opinion is just as valid as yours. Moreso if they have actually worked in the country you've chosen to opine about when you, in fact haven't.
Get off your high horse and stop blathering about something you know nothing about. You wouldn't have to lie, obfuscate or be pathetically obtuse.
Examples in this thread- claiming that I haven't serious propostions. I work here, you don't. How can you make that call? You can't. You know it. Your lying.
Repeatedly stating that there is a consensus that VN teachers agree that I'm wrong and you're right. A lie. There are thousands, maybe tens of thousands of teachers in VN. In fact more have agreed with my post that entry level jobs are most likely for teaching children than have even bothered to respond to this thread. Not acknowledging that is a lie.
No personal agenda? An obvious lie. Either that or you are in love with me. I mean you post within minutes of any post I make on this board anywhere. That's quite the obsession.
Here's an adult conversation. Prove me wrong by going there and stop deliberately spreading misinformation about teaching English or any other subject in VN.
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=111728
Here's another thread for newbies to check out:
http://forums.eslcafe.com/job/viewtopic.php?t=109185 |
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Sashadroogie
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It seems that you do not know what a 'lie' actually is defined as. But allow me please to point out that calling someone a liar is most certainly less than civil discourse, and against the rules of this forum. You may not like the rules. But you still have to follow them.
Now, please withdraw your remark, like a good man. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:49 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
It seems that you do not know what a 'lie' actually is defined as. But allow me please to point out that calling someone a liar is most certainly less than civil discourse, and against the rules of this forum. You may not like the rules. But you still have to follow them.
Now, please withdraw your remark, like a good man. |
Sure when you withdraw the lies you've posted about me.
When you withdraw the lie that one needs a CELTA to teach anywhere in SE Asia. It is not true legally or practically. One may choose to do a CELTA as PD to acieve one's goals here or elsewhere in the world but it is pretty stupid to get a TEFL to teach adults when:
a) most jobs are for teaching children
b) pretty much all entry level positions are teaching children
c) It is not a legal requirement of the government of VN
d) there are no job postings for EFL teachers in VN that require a CELTA
e) you are a newbie looking for a job in SE Asia
f) Cambridge is cancelling the YLT addition to the CELTA
g)The VN government is kind of upset with the results after 10 years of the Cambridge Young Learners program. (You'd have to actually live here or have an interest in EFL in VN to know that. It's an official position reported in newspapers here.)
So, in other words, you first. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 4:57 pm Post subject: |
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| These are your imaginings. Nobody has said anything remotely like what you accuse them of. |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:02 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
| These are your imaginings. Nobody has said anything remotely like what you accuse them of. |
Just prove what you are saying is true.
You can't because you haven't even the faintest idea of what's required to teach in VN. You wouldn't even have a clue of where to begin searching. But I forgot- you think Google is for fools and losers that teach in SE Asia or teach children.
I guess I'll have to link those posts eh?
Did you delete them yet?
Better hurry up!
You really are a piece of work. |
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Sashadroogie
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As 'many' posters have already said, nobody is saying that a Celta is needed for legal reasons. Only you have accused posters of claiming this.
What we have persistently stated is that online certs are nearly always worthless when it comes to pedagogy. And that a Celta is valuable. And this is what seems to draw ire from those who labour under the misconception that all certs are equal. They aren't. No matter how often feet are stamped and denials howled. Even your fellow Vietnam Posters have chimed in, repeatedly, to confirm that this is so in Vietnam also.
No need for me to delete my posts. I stand by them all.. No editing either, as there is no need to alter any of the info in them. |
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Sashadroogie
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:09 pm Post subject: |
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| Now, seeing as we are fixated on teaching young learners, how do you go about developing motor skills for the little nippers? |
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VietCanada
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| Posted: Thu Aug 06, 2015 5:14 pm Post subject: |
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| Sashadroogie wrote: |
As 'many' posters have already said, nobody is saying that a Celta is needed for legal reasons. Only you have accused posters of claiming this.
What we have persistently stated is that online certs are nearly always worthless when it comes to pedagogy. And that a Celta is valuable. And this is what seems to draw ire from those who labour under the misconception that all certs are equal. They aren't. No matter how often feet are stamped and denials howled. Even your fellow Vietnam Posters have chimed in, repeatedly, to confirm that this is so in Vietnam also.
No need for me to delete my posts. I stand by them all.. No editing either, as there is no need to alter any of the info in them. |
Patently false. And I would be careful about getting the attention of the Universities that offer such certs and other online degrees. They might get litigous if you are not careful.
http://discover.utoronto.ca/learning/programs-of-study/online-courses
An example of a prestigious university offering on-line programs.
You really have no idea what you are talking about do you?
If you believed in Google or searching the net generally you might have saved yourself this month long schooling. |
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