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plumpy nut



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

I think quite a few countries are going to go under bringing the ESL opportunities with them. Indonesia is collapsing. China will be seriously shrinking soon. It's already bringing down the stock markets.
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bertonneau



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 5:36 am    Post subject: ESL and everything else Reply with quote

The Middle Eastern countries are all starting to suffer from playing chicken with the US. The US is simply regrouping, taking rigs offline and working on being more efficient and using technology to bring the price down. We're not where Saudi is yet, most of our wells, but we're still pumping and at 75 a barrel we're totally back in business. These countries that haven't prepared well for this day which has been decades in the making. New oil is being found all over the world and as this situation continues more countries are coming online and waiting to get that oil on the market. The oil industry concern should actually be more that the oil market doesn't collapse altogether like the natural gas industry, which is barely profitable in the states at least. But the damage won't be relegated to ESL or Education jobs. Engineering, medical etc. it's all going to go downhill as Saudi in particular just isn't going to have the money to pay expats the money necessary to get anyone or certainly Westerners to come here and tolerate the conditions here. Throw on top of that one war now and unless the US decides to stop things in Iraq, Saudi having to fight two wars and soon one with real fighters, not just a bunch of ragtag Ghat farmers with grandma's Kalashinikov.
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spanglish



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:18 am    Post subject: Re: Soon to join the expats Reply with quote

bertonneau wrote:
According to the Saudi Aramco accountant that works where I work, at present oil price levels and at the rate Saudi is pulling money out of their reserve currency fund they will be broke in about 2 years. This obviously depends on a lot of factors. Given the huge amount of oil available on the market it seems unlikely unless something catastrophic happens that oil is going to be jumping too high in the next decade. Enjoy what's left of the Saudi cash cow ride here, it seems soon to come to an end. Wages are already going down and will continue to. I think PlumpyNut is spot on, but time will tell.


This sounds about right, but I seem to remember that most sources say the Kingdom's financial reserves can last closer to 10 years at current prices. Not to deny that quite a lot of disruption would be likely before the bank accounts run dry. And more unrest will equal more splurges, like we saw in the most recent transition. http://www.ft.com/intl/cms/s/2/01948d2c-ef49-11e4-a6d2-00144feab7de.html#axzz3irVRROz9
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bertonneau



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 6:35 am    Post subject: I dont think so Reply with quote

I'm going with the information/opinion from a Saudi Aramco accountant that works right in the middle of Dhahran and talks with them every week, but we will see.
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sicklyman



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PostPosted: Sat Aug 15, 2015 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

https://uk.finance.yahoo.com/news/saudi-arabia-may-broke-us-215923665.html

makes for an interesting read
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buravirgil



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:26 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

In the heat of the moment wrote:
Jason Bourne predicted this many years ago;
I thought those lines are spoken by the character Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting, 1997.
Quote:
tl;dr - there are PLENTY of ways Saudi or any other player can raise oil prices.
I like charts.
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In the heat of the moment



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 8:36 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

buravirgil wrote:
In the heat of the moment wrote:
Jason Bourne predicted this many years ago;
I thought those lines are spoken by the character Will Hunting in Good Will Hunting, 1997.


Dat's the joke Laughing

buravirgil wrote:
Quote:
tl;dr - there are PLENTY of ways Saudi or any other player can raise oil prices.
I like charts.


I like pictures
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 1:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

buravirgil wrote:
I like charts.

That chart would be much more useful if it was current. It ends in 2009... would be nice to see the effects of the last year or so as the Saudis have pushed the price down.

VS
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spanglish



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PostPosted: Tue Aug 18, 2015 2:09 pm    Post subject: Re: I dont think so Reply with quote

bertonneau wrote:
I'm going with the information/opinion from a Saudi Aramco accountant that works right in the middle of Dhahran and talks with them every week, but we will see.


My brother's friend's cousin told me the economy is going bust within a year...
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scot47



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PostPosted: Sat Oct 03, 2015 1:03 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I was in the "Last Chance Saloon" this week and the story is that Saudi Arabia has already gone bust. One of the guys there used to be an accountant so it must be true.
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nomad soul



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PostPosted: Sun Jul 31, 2016 6:52 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

And once again...

Remittance must not exceed sender’s income
Arab News | 31 July 2016
Source: http://www.arabnews.com/node/962491/saudi-arabia

JEDDAH: A new mechanism is being planned that would compare remittances with the senders’ incomes.

The first of its kind project is the brainchild of the Finance Ministry, the Saudi Arabian Monetary Agency and other relevant bodies. It aims to control the transfers as authorities detected that thousands of foreign workers transfer amounts that exceed their incomes. These incomes might be the result of concealed, even criminal, actions, said sources.

They said the new regulation, now under consideration, will be launched soon and will contribute to limiting labor market irregularities and violations that increase the illegal income of expatriates.

Any income obtained by foreign workers will be linked with banks, without exception, through a unified network.

(End of article)
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learningpaths



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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 10:10 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Is being paid with a cheque a new thing? One you have trouble cashing. Then trouble getting it to home.

Is it me, or does something stink? I want my salary wired into my foreign account and safely out of this country.
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veiledsentiments



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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 1:16 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is one of the issues with not having a legal work visa/iqama... none of those contractor employers will send your money out of the country for you. You are on your own...

VS
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desertdawg



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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 2:38 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Maybe others know all the contractors.

I can only speak for myself whilst actually working in KSA. I was on a business visa and the contracting company had no problem sending my salary to my UK account.
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learningpaths



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PostPosted: Sat May 20, 2017 2:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Me too. It took 3 months to get iqama. Until then, there was no problem, until 2017. At least for me.
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