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bigdurian · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:45 am Post subject:

[quote="veiledsentiments"][quote="myohmy"][quote]The work rules tend to be casual in Saudi... show up to teach your classes, try to stay sober for the short period... and leave. Most employers in the rest of the Gulf - especially university level - require you to be in the building and available for the hours the institution is open each day - these day it tends to be 40 hours per week. More formal dress tends to be required.[/quote]

This is an inaccurate and sweeping generalization that does not apply to most universities in KSA.[/quote]
Nowhere did I say that it did. But the majority of TEFL teachers in KSA don't teach in state universities...

As I recall you taught at one female university...

VS[/quote]

So where do the majority of ESL teachers teach then?

just curious

hash · Joined: 17 Dec 2014 Posts: 456 Location: Wadi Jinn

Further to my previous posting on this thread:

In fact, there's a certain reluctance by KSA employers themselves to hire teachers WHO HAVE PREVIOUSLY WORKED IN KSA, particularly recently. One would think such an attitude would be counter-intuitive and counter-productive, but it is a commonplace occurrence many applicants are faced with.

Again, there are several reasons for why this is the case but it would require a longish and involved posting which I'm not going to attempt.

(However, I will say this: such an attitude by employers also extends to teachers who are Western but/and are (or claim to be) Arabic speakers.)

The fact is, employers don't want anyone around who might "know too much", so to speak.

It's like the descriptions employers often advertize as to what they're looking for in new employees (not just teachers, but employees in general). Supposedly, they all want high energy, committed, involved, thinking out of the box, a "new ideas" type person. Of course, those are the very traits they DO NOT WANT TO SEE in a new employee. What they really want is someone who'll do what he's told, never questions anything and mostly keeps his mouth shut. And, the thinking goes, if you've worked in KSA before, chances are you're just not going to fall into that subservient category. (And if you know Arabic, you could be a loose cannon from day one).

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buravirgil · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 4:11 am Post subject:

myohmy · Joined: 31 Jul 2013 Posts: 119

I know dozens of teachers who were either terminated from or quit a job in KSA and were able to easily find another either in the Kingdom or elsewhere in the ME. These sweeping generalizations are absurd and serve no purpose other than to spread misinformation.

buravirgil · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:18 am Post subject:

bigdurian · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 1:44 pm Post subject:

I agree with Myohmy, all the people I know who went from one job to another in KSA had absolutely no problem getting the next job.

I've just done it myself, and in many ways it's better, because it gives you a chance to actually go to the place and see who you're dealing with, and they can see what you're about too.

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

"with thou" ?

Oh ! A faux pas !

myohmy · Joined: 31 Jul 2013 Posts: 119

scot47 · Joined: 10 Jan 2003 Posts: 15343

Your knowledge of 17th century English is poor,

The second person pronoun is in subject form "thou" and in object form "thee".
After a preposition we use the OBJECT form.

Dint they teach you nuthin in school ?

buravirgil · Posted: Fri Oct 02, 2015 9:54 pm Post subject:

VS is but a member of the guard elder. As the kids say, she is legion.